Final stages on an invention for Glock 17 Gen 4
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I agree that this concept / idea is a fools errand. Training > gadgets. Carbine > pistol.
Out West (BC) the LE pistol market share is dominated by Glock 17 and 22. The only agencies not using Glock are the RCMP (5946/06) VPD (Sig 226 DAK) WVPD (Sig226) and the BC Sheriffs (M&P9).
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But how can one improve "Perfection"?
This is the article that I was looking at: https://ucr.fbi.gov/leoka/2018/tables/table-19.xls it looks like some years were deadlier than others...
Here is what I think. Keep in mind that I am not LEO but have been through extensive gun use while serving in the military. First, this is not a device that is suitable for the military (at least not in this shape) to be suitable for the military it needs to be encapsulated because military forces serve often in war zones where you got dirt, sand, water, prolong fire exchange which can also build up dirt in the mechanism.
If I was LEO and we did not have Glocks I would buy one. I would wear my gloves religiously as I wear my vest. To keep the device clean I would not do much live fire with it, when I go to the range it's a simple swap of the housing and the trigger group. Get to know your gun. If someone is trying to get my gun, I would not wrestle with them but rather let go of it quickly, step back draw my taser, or better yet my baton, and proceed to crack their skull. The gun will not fire.
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I think you should talk to a bunch of LEO departments then speculate what they should. As alot of LEO don't wear gloves all day. LEO cannot make modification to their guns. Only the licensed armourer, Level 3 retention holster takes bit of effort to pull out the gun.
My buddy carries a Sig 226 with legacy slide with E2 grips. Far more superior than a Glock 17.
So the fact that you wouldnt use your device in the gun the whole time, raises alot of questions.
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Like I said earlier: IF I was LEO... Care to elaborate on this? Just curious...
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I'm actively discussing this with a LEO officer. He worked for 4 police forces. He said he wouldn't even trust it, or let alone anyone that would approve a gun that wouldnt shoot without gloves. He is also a gun nut.
They're not allowed to make mods on their gun, my buddy cannot even change grips. So it isnt as simple as swapping it out. So saying that you wouldn't use it on the range, in order to keep it clean, shows doubt in the device.
I do not doubt the device, I doubt people's brains. We use to clean our guns religiously in the army every day. During war times you can be shot for having a dirty gun, in peace times it got you 3 days' arrest. I understand that they will be not allowed to make mods on their gun, this is normal. It has to go through the process of approval top-down first.
Having sold into LE agencies before.... best of luck. Lots of posters are bringing up perfectly legit reasons as to why this will not, or likely ever be adopted by any agency. As for being shot for having a dirty gun... that reads like an old wives tale.
No officer is going to say "To keep it clean I keep live fire to a minimum" ever. They are already strapped for live fire training, and your general suggestion makes it seem like reducing that would be a good thing. Secondly, most, if not all agencies don't allow LEO's to carry their own personally purchased firearms.
"war zones where you got dirt, sand, water, prolong fire exchange which can also build up dirt in the mechanism." This is honestly hilarious. LEOs are in and out of vehicles, all sorts of environments and so on, in the rain etc. While an active conflict area certainly might have greater intensity in weather and environmental variables, to think LEOs operate in a clean environment is laughable.
It sounds like you've got this all figured out, so keep pursuing it, but a lot of individuals responses are perfectly logical, and pointing out the various flaw in your train of thought as to the validity of your project/idea.
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On the other end you had guys taking knives, cleaning rods and other sharp tools to clean carbon from the crown. I seen some extreme things to have guns cleaned to leave early, as majority are not gun owners outside work and know no better. Because they wanted cleaner then new. Doesn't mean they are any more serviceable. I had a rifle worked perfect after just opening it from a sealed storage bag. That thing smoked like a muzzle loader and oozed grease. Gun will work in harsh weather. Only issues we had overseas were mag related.
I'm 3rd generation serving, pops and I served in war time. The whole being shot is bull#### for dirty gun is nothing more the putting fear in people to clean.
Also I seen some of the worst firearm handling while in the service. I also lost a friend being shot as they were fooling around with pistols. I still say if it didnt have a mag safety, there be no reason for a mag to be in it.
But best of luck, take the criticism.
I agree here, I have never seen anybody shot for a dirty gun. It may as well be a tactic to scare us into cleaning our guns but people did go to the hole for 3 days if found with neglected guns. The problem that I am having is the same as when I began this thread, I have not tested it on the range. I do not know how it would behave, I can make only healthy predictions. It is not a complicated device with very few parts, not much to go wrong... I love everyone's criticism, dump it on me please, and remember the bright bulb at the beginning of the video, that's how I felt when everything clicked together...
Thank you for your input, I wish we had a "LIKE" button here...
Chicago PD requires its officers to purchse their own duty gun from a list of approved firearms. What a joke.
I should have qualified that statement, with regards to Canadian agencies. Certainly some US agencies do allow it, but again they're off an approved list. My point was more-so directed at the OPs comment that if they were a cop, they would just go buy a GLOCK, which makes absolutely no sense.
Qualifier not needed, my comment was only anecdotal.
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