DancesWithEmptyCasings
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I have the 4th Edition Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook. There is nothing for 2400 listed. Just call if you need anything looked up.
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Then there's also .45 Cowboy, basically half-length .45 Colt brass for folk who want ultra-light revolver loads but were stuck having to deal with the huge internal volume of .45 Colt brass and its obligatory minimum powder charges. It's the same volume as .45 ACP so you can use reloading data from that.
I imagine you'd reload it with a .45 Colt shell holder and .45 ACP dies.
I imagine you'd reload it with a .45 Colt shell holder and .45 ACP dies.
I have a 45 LC project: I want to load a 452490, a gas checked bullet, to a bit +P for a stronger than black powder firearm. I have a few manuals and 2400 is not commonly listed. I'm not entirely sure why not, but it probably is not a suitable powder. I did load the bullet in a 45 S&W Schofield case, AKA the 45 SC (Schofield Cartridge or Short Colt, whatever!) It works fine as the OAL is close to 1.475", it feeds in a '73 rifle chambered in 45LC quite well.
Blue Dot may be a better candidate, or perhaps Unique if you want to have a bit lower velocity. I decided to just load it with 5 grains of 452AA and have fun. I use that sh*t in everything as I found 8# at a price I could live with. Dang component shortage bunk.
I like using the 45 Long Colt moniker, it makes sense. I does take all the confusion out of the topic. IMHO most people will know what you are talking about if you mention the 45 Long Colt. Try asking for 45 Colt ammo at your local Cabelas, invariably they will hand you a box of 45 Auto for the Colt 45 pistol. Ask for 45 Long Colt and you will get the proper ammo, or be told it is out of stock.
The big puzzler for me is the 38 Special. There never was a 38 Not Special, and it was never a 38. It should be called a 357 Special, or a 357 Short Non Magnum. The 38 Short Colt and 38 Long Colt were both made with a 38 cal heeled bullet. In later production the bullet was internally lubricated of 357 diameter for the Long Colt. The transition from heeled to inside lubed bullets really screwed with some of the names. That heeled krap was over when the 45 Colt was introduced, otherwise it would be called the 48 Colt.
"When the legend becomes fact, print the legend"
Blue Dot may be a better candidate, or perhaps Unique if you want to have a bit lower velocity. I decided to just load it with 5 grains of 452AA and have fun. I use that sh*t in everything as I found 8# at a price I could live with. Dang component shortage bunk.
I like using the 45 Long Colt moniker, it makes sense. I does take all the confusion out of the topic. IMHO most people will know what you are talking about if you mention the 45 Long Colt. Try asking for 45 Colt ammo at your local Cabelas, invariably they will hand you a box of 45 Auto for the Colt 45 pistol. Ask for 45 Long Colt and you will get the proper ammo, or be told it is out of stock.
The big puzzler for me is the 38 Special. There never was a 38 Not Special, and it was never a 38. It should be called a 357 Special, or a 357 Short Non Magnum. The 38 Short Colt and 38 Long Colt were both made with a 38 cal heeled bullet. In later production the bullet was internally lubricated of 357 diameter for the Long Colt. The transition from heeled to inside lubed bullets really screwed with some of the names. That heeled krap was over when the 45 Colt was introduced, otherwise it would be called the 48 Colt.
"When the legend becomes fact, print the legend"
Thanks Dan! I knew there was a history lesson in there somewhere, lol
No problem. One of the few advantages of getting old is you get to hear a great many of these tales. As mentioned, there is also 45 Cowboy these days, and I have seen 45 "Special" (shortened 45 Colt cases) as well. People dream up all sorts of things, for all sorts of reasons.
In regards to 250 gr bullets in the 45 Colt case (not the old balloon head cases), 4227 of either make has worked well for me. - dan
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Yes sir! I appreciate the getting old response, just recently retired. I've heard about the 45 cowboy, and looking for proper 45lc brass, it seems like its readily available. I'm only looking for cowboy action loads in both my rifles and colt SAA copies. Playing around with unique, but trail boss is working quite well, with 200 gn home cast lead. 2400 is a little too "snappy" and save it for other things.......
Just trying to get this thread back OP, Cheers
I prefer 250 gr or heavier bullets in my 45 Colt revolvers. Have to be careful with coal for some rifles though, or they wont cycle. Come to think of it, the same holds true for some revolvers. I know rounds that fit and function fine in a ruger do not in my colts. - dan
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Working up to that 250 stuff, lol.
I took an anti out to my range with these moderate loads. He thought his hand was gonna blow off when he saw the size of the "peacemaker" cartridge, lol.
I truly believe I converted him when I saw the grin on his face. I brought 100 rounds and maybe shot 20...guess who fired the rest, lol
Yeah, its surprising how many anti gun people can be swayed by a good range day. One of the jobs I had some years back, once a week we (our staff) would all go do whatever one person suggested for an experience. The person selecting rotated every week. When it was my turn I took everyone to the range. Lots of smiles and grins, and we got a few new shooters out of it. About 10-12 people, male and female. Good times. - dan
There's such a huge and wonderful range of firearms chambered for this venerable old cartridge that it can be hard to make generalizations about how to load it, but usually the milder range of possible powder loadings is it, both for the safety of older firearms and for mild recoil and shooter enjoyment. Overall length to cycle in a lever gun is one thing to watch for. And if a firearm really is built for the hot loads it should say ".454 CASULL" or something like that on the side, and you can try that out once in awhile before returning to the milder loads.
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Good times indeed. Young female shooters are coming out of the woodwork, and that's a good thing!!
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