Varget Extreme. Local Drop off Only

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I didn't say I couldn't afford it, or that it is a necessity. My original point was that they would have sold out of Varget quickly even if they posted a 2-5 pound per person limit. Having a discount for 10 pounds or more likely doesn't serve them any better. Especially when it was local pick up only.
Capitalism would say that you can buy all of it for the asking price, and that is fine. Truth is that we while not being actual neighbours are or should be a community.
Go ahead and buy it all and flip it on an auction for all I care. It's still a #### move, and when someone is in such high demand leaving some for others is a good thing for the community at large. It also does not equal communism as per your original declaration.

You do you. I'll do me, and I'll be thankful when I have a fair and honest reputation that will aid in getting me out of a bind one day.
 
Deadringer said:
Having seen a wholesaler pricing list recently, I haven't a clue how they can charge $90/lbs (let alone the discounted price for larger orders), thats not enough of a margin to keep the lights on. It is strange that 4350 and varget prices have shot through the roof but everyone is at those prices (go with 4451 if you don't want to spend that much). Or i see titegroup is still pretty cheap. We only used one or two types of black powder in our guns, people are too fussy nowadays!

Somewhat related, I can remember paying $0.46/litre for gas in 1998. But when I go to the station and rant that they are charging too much for their gas, these bossy people with yellow stripes up their pants come along and tell me to leave. Don't they know that those of us filling our tanks are what keeps them in business?
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We’ll I have the wholesale pricing in front of me and there is no need to do the kind of margins they do right now. It’s pure nonsense and people agreeing to pay those price are part of the issue. Retailers are just getting out of control.

At least there is still stores that do "normal" margins and sell powder at 65/70$.
 
kevin9934 said:
We’ll I have the wholesale pricing in front of me and there is no need to do the kind of margins they do right now. It’s pure nonsense and people agreeing to pay those price are part of the issue. Retailers are just getting out of control.

At least there is still stores that do "normal" margins and sell powder at 65/70$.
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So your a brick and mortar store owner then? What is the typical rent for a commercial space per month? What are employee wages, taxes, hydro, internet, phone, accountant, insurance costs?

Clearly you have no clue what it actually costs to run a store.. Rent alone, in Ontario, in not a huge city for 2500 sqft will cost you $85000 per year and you haven’t paid any of the other things I mentioned or bought your product to even sell. Tell me again about margins?
 
Tell me about running above necessary margins on some key products for your " shooter" customer base and tell me about delusional business owner that think they should do 60% and above margins on everything.

Go get some proper marketing experience and understand how to attract and keep your customer by stopping ####ing them up on everything. You’ll probably learn a thing or two and make more money on the long run.
 
kevin9934 said:
Tell me about running above necessary margins on some key products for your " shooter" customer base and tell me about delusional business owner that think they should do 60% and above margins on everything.

Go get some proper marketing experience and understand how to attract and keep your customer by stopping ####ing them up on everything. You’ll probably learn a thing or two and make more money on the long run.
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Why don’t you start a store then and get rich on a 30 percent markup? I’m sure everyone will be happy.

Marketing is irrelevant when a product is in great demand and easily findable with the press of a key. Keep trying though…
 
TT1900 said:
N140. Problem solved. You’re all welcome.
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What’s the data on temperature sensitivity?

Lots of powders easily replace Varget in performance (H4895, IMR 4895, AA 2520, AA 2495, BL-C(2) and many more) and are widely available at comparatively cheaper prices, but none come close to temperature variation resistance (with the exception of IMR 4064 at cold temperatures and IMR 4166 at hot temperatures) which is critical in Canada especially the prairies.

EDIT: according to THIS ARTICLE N140 had similar temperature insensitivity to that of Varget across the full temperature spectrum. However, N140 was estimated to be of limited value in F-TR rifles shooting 200-plus grain bullets given the limited case volume and velocity needed to be competitive at 1000-yard shooting distances.

Conclusions

The primary goal of these studies was to identify powders for .308 Win F-TR rifles that had similar insensitivities to temperature-induced increases in velocity as Varget. IMR 4064, IMR 4166 and Vihtovuori N140 were tested between 34°F and 102°F. No powder matched the overall performance of Varget across the full temperature range. N140 had similar temperature insensitivity to that of Varget across the full temperature spectrum. However, N140 was estimated to be of limited value in F-TR rifles shooting 200-plus grain bullets given the limited case volume and velocity needed to be competitive at 1000-yard shooting distances.

> IMR 4064 had very similar temperature insensitivity to that of Varget between 34°F and 68°F and was able to produce high velocity for 1000-yard shots with 200-plus grain bullets.
> IMR 4166 had very similar temperature insensitivity performance to that of Varget between 61°F and 103°F and was able to produce high velocity for 1000-yard shots with 200-plus grain bullets.

Depending on the temperature range in which you are shooting, either IMR 4064 (lower ambient temperatures) or IMR 4166 (higher ambient temperatures) were considered to be good replacements for Varget in .308 Win F-TR shooting if needed.
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Why is this still going on. I love you Frontier and I'm no mathamagician but there has to be a decent mark up at 90$ if you're still making money at 75$.

Also, it's their business, let them charge what the market will bear, they aren't a charity and I've had nothing but great experience there. I used to stop in every time I went to Prince Albert years back when they had a storefront.

And also I don't think I'm supposed to mention other stores but I was at a certain awesome gun store in downtown Edmonton last Thursday, and they had varget, and it was, hold on to your hats, 90$ a pound also. I don't see anyone at their forum with pitchforks and torches. I didn't buy any, the cute girl was trying to convince me, and almost did, but I don't need it that badly yet. Plus 300$ in other bullets and ammo when you tell your wife you're going to save money is hard enough to explain away.

So, yeah. Calm your tits everyone.
 
LeadMonkey said:
What’s the data on temperature sensitivity?

Lots of powders easily replace Varget in performance (H4895, IMR 4895, AA 2520, AA 2495, BL-C(2) and many more) and are widely available at comparatively cheaper prices, but none come close to temperature variation resistance (with the exception of IMR 4064 at cold temperatures and IMR 4166 at hot temperatures) which is critical in Canada especially the prairies.

EDIT: according to THIS ARTICLE N140 had similar temperature insensitivity to that of Varget across the full temperature spectrum. However, N140 was estimated to be of limited value in F-TR rifles shooting 200-plus grain bullets given the limited case volume and velocity needed to be competitive at 1000-yard shooting distances.
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Iv swapped out varget for LVR. My hunting rounds preformed the same. W
orth a try ??
 
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