These are awesome once you figure out the shortcomings. I tried the open sights, but the stock is too short and the chamber blast is unpleasant on the face. Next I tried a red dot and a pistol hold. Nope, can't find the dot easily. Finally, I put a green laser on the rail and tried it from the hip. Just awesome. Whatever you paint with the green dot is a direct hit. Squirrels at 25 yards don't stand a chance. Nothing against squirrels, but when they're trying to nest under the hood of your vehicle they have to go. It's now my fall walking around gun and the holster is very convenient. Awesome.