Sleeper M4

What difference would it make if it was FF or not? You're replicating a stock M4 correct. That would mean stock handguards. If you're looking for the SOPMOD M4 then use a quad rail.

TDC
 
TDC said:
What difference would it make if it was FF or not? You're replicating a stock M4 correct. That would mean stock handguards. If you're looking for the SOPMOD M4 then use a quad rail.

TDC
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Because FF are more accurate you big silly goose.
 
Thanks tips. I run two FF rails. I'm well aware of their benefits. You indicate that you are building an M4 clone. M4's run stock handguards, the wizzy M4's (SOPMOD) use a quad rail.

Accuracy is a moot point when you're goal is to imitate a short to intermediate range rifle. Any magnified optic outside of an ACOG you mount will not be accurate for an M4 build.

The accuracy gain of a FF on a carbine without magnified optics is a loss due to range, environment, shooter, and ammo. Keep in mind that stock barrels are designed for combat accuracy, not Olympic grade performance.

TDC
 
Nobody calls me tips, nobody.

Anyways, so your saying you can't free float M4 grips?

I will be getting an ACOG, after I master the Irons.

All this geared up M4 stuff seems a little excessive.
 
I can't say for sure if you can get FF "stock looking" handguards. I'm simply asking why its such a requirement? It would seem like a nice after thought if you had some spare coin laying around. For the look alike build, I'd say to hell with it. There is nothing wrong with the accuracy achieved from standard handguards. I chose FF rails for my rifles for several reasons and none of them had to do with accuracy.

My 16" required railed handguards of some sort in order for me to mount my EOTech forward on the receiver. I see the benefits in a FF rail are their strength and increased cooling abilities due to the "open" or "skeleton" like designs. Accuracy increase(if you can measure a difference) is an added bonus. It is not the deciding factor and nor should it be IMO.

TDC
 
The accuracy gain will be negligible and most FF rails will require you to permanently removed the delta ring. Plus if it's the M4 look you're looking for, use the M4 RAS, that's what M4's are issued with. It's non-FF and replaces the stock handguards but the top rail will hold zero.
 
mebiuspower said:
Can you elaborate as to why FF makes it more accurate?
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With slight pressure on any guns barrel, the POI (point of impact) will change slightly. Slightly as in MABEY .1 MOA at 100 yards, mabey more mabey less... but not much unless your looking at benchrest shooting and you need every milimeter you can get. Of course it depends on the rifle.


With a non free floated rail if you put more/less pressure on the handgaurds (attached to barrel) you COULD have a slight change in POI, but for what many people use M4geries for, its not a big deal. With a free float rail, its attached to the reciever and not touching the barrel, thusly remoing that inconsistancy.


That said, the PE90/SIG550 is one of the most accurate combat rifles in the world and its got a non free floated barrel.
 
Non FF barrels maybe (mabey) group better but not more accurate. Change of POI can be as big as 4 MOA or bigger depending on how stiff your foregrip is. That means even your centre of mass shots past 100 yards become questionable. And then again are you guys packing for a war or what.
 
Big Army issues the KAC M4 RAS for most of its units.

SOF side you will see Larue, KAC, DD rails on guns depending to what they belong to. DD theoritecially the current issue with RIS II, however team fund can other units will run whatever they feel is best. More and more USSOC users are Hk416 -- however Mk16 (SCAR-L) has now been deployed in small amounts as well.

You can add the DD Omega rail and maintain the majority of the look and have a FF and non interupted top rail surface.
 
Ok, whos selling 14.5 or 16'' upper right here in Calgary, am I going to have to order one?

I'm taking a carbine course soon.
 
could I ask where I could get the information on this course...sounds interesting

I'll do a proper search for it later.

:)
 
I have the DD Omega rail and its a pretty well thought out FF rail that you do not have to do any modification to your AR at all.

-It Free floats
-continuous top rail
-easy instal and easy back to stock if want to
-locks up nice and tight
-nice oval shape not round
 
OZZ said:
I have the DD Omega rail and its a pretty well thought out FF rail that you do not have to do any modification to your AR at all.

-It Free floats
-continuous top rail
-easy instal and easy back to stock if want to
-locks up nice and tight
-nice oval shape not round
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I've always preferred the continuous top rail set-up such as that offered by TROY & their Samson clones, etc... The new DD Omega looks really good and seems to be just as easy to intall as the Troy. Definitely next on my new toy list.

You can read a pretty decent review by Stickman at: http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63
 
X-man said:
I've always preferred the continuous top rail set-up such as that offered by TROY & their Samson clones, etc... The new DD Omega looks really good and seems to be just as easy to intall as the Troy. Definitely next on my new toy list.

You can read a pretty decent review by Stickman at: http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63
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It`s actually way easier than the Troy type as you do not have to remove the spring assembly that retains the stock handguard on.

With the troy type you have to either remove the barrel to get the handguard retainer springs off or cut them of with a dremel and then you cant go back to stock.

The DD Omega needs zero modification.
 
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