Type 81 SR Serious Quality Concern

Ustauk said:
From the comments an Instagram post on the LMG, https://www.instagram.com/p/CkgKiLEL210/:

Quote Originally Posted by Tactical Imports
Factory investigation revealed it was due to improper alignment of stock during install, if the holes weren't lined up properly then the pins would crack the stock as they'd just be pressed into the wood when installed. However it is a very rare issue, less then 10 units affected
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less then 10 units affected? if they say so, lol.

but i do agree, the last couple of pics i've seen does look like misalignment and the both pins drove the wood out frontwards but the first three pics are different, they cracked horizontally, like front end too heavy or it was dropped.


sounds like they arent gonna redesign the dragunov stocks for the next shipment so dont hold any hopes of a replacement stock so warranty is our only hope.
 
Should start making "Keep Calm and Screw On" memes for the SR. Has there been any reports of broken stocks with the screw mod ? I haven't seen any yet.
 
Not really surprising with the issues as the stock looks flimsy, and poorly attached in the pics . Might be best to save some bucks , and just buy a battle proven rifle like the SKS that will go bang every time without worrying about the stock failing . :ar15:
 
i'm poking around among my contacts to see if I can borrow one of these SR's
I think the problem could be solved with a much harder wood but might be better solved with a composite alternative with metal pin sleeves embedded in the stock
Part of me really wants one of these rifles but if that stock problem can;t be remedied...... I don't want one obviously.
 
No matter what material the stock is made from, the geometry of the attachment is still inferior.
A redesign of the receiver and trunnion are necessary.
 
tiriaq said:
No matter what material the stock is made from, the geometry of the attachment is still inferior.
A redesign of the receiver and trunnion are necessary.
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absolutely but it doesnt sound like the factory is going that route till more stocks break.
 
I suspect that M43 ball would really limit grouping capability. Carefully assembled handloads with quality bullets might be really interesting. But are the buyers of these rifles looking for something more than recreational plinking level accuracy with lower cost ammunition?
 
I certainly have LOTS to talk about when it come to these rifles for my next Type 81 video. I havent shot my SR yet, and currently have it torn apart on my desk (getting it ready for hunting season)and about to put a screw in it. Noticed that the receiver and dust cover on my SR have notably worse geometry then my other Type 81sa's. The dust cover is pinched in so its fitment is annoyingly tight, and the sides of the receiver arnt parallel for its whole length, noticably sucking in at the front trunnion on the bottom. The sides where the side rail goes are swelled out and the list goes on. The surface contact of the side rail is poor due to this. Ill zero it with Hornady sst ammo and if it doesnt produce the expected groups i may ask TI for an exchange or refund. altho they generally dont exchange once the gun has been fired..... cus ya know, they have to be able to give the sh!t to another customer after they receive it lol.
 
Murray 3-D said:
I certainly have LOTS to talk about when it come to these rifles for my next Type 81 video. I havent shot my SR yet, and currently have it torn apart on my desk (getting it ready for hunting season)and about to put a screw in it. Noticed that the receiver and dust cover on my SR have notably worse geometry then my other Type 81sa's. The dust cover is pinched in so its fitment is annoyingly tight, and the sides of the receiver arnt parallel for its whole length, noticably sucking in at the front trunnion on the bottom. The sides where the side rail goes are swelled out and the list goes on. The surface contact of the side rail is poor due to this. Ill zero it with Hornady sst ammo and if it doesnt produce the expected groups i may ask TI for an exchange or refund. altho they generally dont exchange once the gun has been fired..... cus ya know, they have to be able to give the sh!t to another customer after they receive it lol.
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Tried to warn ya long ago. Glad to see you honestly say it how it is, too many people are stubborn. Good on ya, your honesty will help the next guys out.
 
I still have a lot of faith in the concept of what TI offered us, my observations are just more things to add to the list of potential issues to look out for... if those issues do indeed matter.

The list is long, but in hindsight not really any longer then the rifle versions.
 
My fix will likely be coming next week.
It will be basically a made to fit, machined insert with an angled and counter-sunk screw hole, which will grab onto the whole rear of the reciever, without sticking up into the dust cover territory, as opposed to just the screw & washer fix.

If this works, it will become the primary anchor point...this will relegate the existing pins into a secondary, supportive role only.
Short of intentional abuse, I can't see a scenario in which the stock would fail after that.
 
I threaded in a stainless steel 1 1/4" #8 wood screw. No epoxy, no glue, no washer. I think theres a zero % chance the screw will pull out. And a very decent chance the stock wont crack under normal use now . Studying the internals more, i cant see any reason why TI couldnt add more wood around the pins. Instead of it being 45 degrees it could be 90. And they could extend to wood closer to the safety cam. Every millimeter added would certainly go a long way. And then wishful dreaming, going the laminate route would be the icing on the cake in regards to strength. Far cheaper for TI then changing or modifying the trunnion on preexisting SRs.
 
One guy claims that he believes they will shoot close to MOA after the initial 200 rounds break in period
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One guy hasn't got the first clue how to extract accuracy out of a rifle nor what an accurate rifle even is. :(

He's using a crap UTG clamp on bipod and not supporting the back end of the gun on anything. Those two things will preclude any possibility of accuracy.

He claims the rifle is "quite accurate" and produces "fist size groups" at 100yds in the same sentence. In another post he claims it is "sub MOA" and produces "fist sized groups". Sub MOA and a fist sized group are mutually exclusive things.

Has anyone with a clue managed to shoot this rifle on paper?
 
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Murray 3-D said:
I threaded in a stainless steel 1 1/4" #8 wood screw. No epoxy, no glue, no washer. I think theres a zero % chance the screw will pull out. And a very decent chance the stock wont crack under normal use now . Studying the internals more, i cant see any reason why TI couldnt add more wood around the pins. Instead of it being 45 degrees it could be 90. And they could extend to wood closer to the safety cam. Every millimeter added would certainly go a long way. And then wishful dreaming, going the laminate route would be the icing on the cake in regards to strength. Far cheaper for TI then changing or modifying the trunnion on preexisting SRs.
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If they could make the part that is sticking out for the pin holes out of steel and find a way how to integrate it into the stock (so it is like one piece), it would likely beat any other fix out there..
 
Look at the early version of the AK. It has a butt socket attached to the receiver, the stock mounts to that. Later production went to tangs.
The fundamental problem is that the interface between the receiver and the stock is very small, and two pins, or two pins and a screw have a lot of load applied to them when the stock is stressed.
 
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