375 ruger velocity
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Tell me about it teh 416 Rigby floored me when i ordered 100 brass! I thought ####! why did i order 100 brass LOL.
and yes th elast brass i bought for the 30-378 was $94.00 for 20 and the 378 was 105.00 that sucks concidering you get about 4 times fired! and than the primers do not stay in and fall out lol
I like the rum's and i like the new ruger, with factory ammo for it, a bit more snap If i did not have what i have i would buy one.
I should say as well the 375 eptsien anyway burns 72.0 gr of powder the 378 burns well over 100 to 111.0 for some loads to get 200-300 fps and a bigger head ache..
The 30-378, 338-378 and 378 just are not efficient cases..
But ya still got to love them!
375 Epstein is a 375 H&H improved, much like the Ackley or 375 JRS or the 375 Wby. I have had a 375 Ackley, and still have a 375 Wby. Based on the data available at the time (in the 70s), I loaded the Wby to 2900 fps with the 300 gr Sierra. Never had any pressure indications. This was also what Epstein was claiming for his improved 375 at that time. Later, when more data became available, I backed that load down to 2800 with Nosler 300 gr bullets. If the Ruger is running alongside the 375 Wby that makes it a very useful cartridge indeed. - dan
Now I'm confused.
I thought the .375 Epstein is a necked up, blown out .300 Win Mag and as such, doesn't have the powder capacity of the larger cases.This drawing shows it to be a short(er) case than the other .375 wildcats.
It was actually a trimmed back 375 H&H, but the end result is still the same, if memory serves. He wanted it to fit in -06 length actions, and it does, barely. - dan
Yes that is correct! and it does , BIG Mike Epstien the football player developed the load! and it does fit...
Very close in velocity to the rugers!
I have reamers if required LOL!!!
70.0 grains of powder compressed into a very long neck bring the powder level to the case and neck and does infact get the claimed velocity !
I have seen it!
I very efficient case! maybe more so than the H&H full case..
has to be in the neck and the fatter case?
Very close in velocity to the rugers!
I have reamers if required LOL!!!
70.0 grains of powder compressed into a very long neck bring the powder level to the case and neck and does infact get the claimed velocity !
I have seen it!
I very efficient case! maybe more so than the H&H full case..
has to be in the neck and the fatter case?
Well, the case is simply less tapered, not actually any fatter, although that increases the useful capacity, so I guess the end result is the same. It still ends up being slightly smaller in case capacity then the 375 JRS/Ackley/Weatherby trio. So to make the velocities he does, he's either got a very fast barrel, quite a bit of freebore, or is running pretty high pressures. Or some combination of the three, which would be my guess. FWIW - dan
As I stated earlier a good comparison would be a 30-06 and any of the 300 mags. the 06 will kill game at long range as long as you know the trajectory. Why all the 300 mags? The 378 delivers big energy at long range, whats wrong with that? As far as you don't shoot big guns past 300, who says? If you can't handle a big gun, shoot a small gun, pretty easy. I just bought an H&H so I certainly don't say those balistics are no good. I just say faster is better.
lots of freebore in mine!
and a 26 Inch Douglas barrel
had it cut hear in Ontario
neat cartridge
Faster is better if you are concerned with lots of downrange energy, at extended distance...
I've only practice with the Ruger out to 350 yards, but I doubt I'll be shooting much farther than that with it on game, and if I am, I can just adjust the elevation settings of the scope.
Depends on what you want. I don't intend to shoot at dangerous game at 350+ yards, so I dont' feel the need for the extra speed with a 375. And I've got a .300WSM for shooting any non dangerous game at any distance that I can manage.
I don't ever intend to hunt dangerous game on purpose with my 378. Its a long range Moose and Elk gun. I have a CRF .416 for anything dangerous. The WBY is definatly not for everyone. The recoil is extreme. If you don't shoot big guns regularly it would be useless. The Ruger and H&H are sure killers but I bet a 300 TXS at 3000 fps works pretty good.
say what you want, but bigger is always better. This is something all men know intuitively. You need dozens of words, sentences, tech speak, and explaining to make the case for the Ruger. For the 378, it's simple: "mine's bigger." nuff said. nyah nyah!
nyah nyah!.
I can kill a moose or elk at long rage with my 300....So it's not an issue for me
When you shoot a moose or elk at long range with your 378- What has your experiences been? I've never shot an elk, but moose seemed to die pretty good from good hits from a 30-06 or .300 at 100-450 yards. Do you think that the 378 has worked better? I bet it smacks them, but Ive never used one....
One of the reasons the H&H and Ruger shine..."All around" capability, and a good "stopper" too.
If I was fighting big animals like elephants and buffalo often, I'd want a big caliber gun. Not neccesarily FAST, but big in caliber. But, since I don't- I feel no need to own one.
I can hit and kill a moose with my 300 at 500 yards. haven't tried with my 375 Ruger, but I am sure I could do it also.
I've shot super recoilers. I can handle it. I just don't see the point.
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say what you want, but bigger is always better. This is something all men know intuitively. You need dozens of words, sentences, tech speak, and explaining to make the case for the Ruger. For the 378, it's simple: "mine's bigger." nuff said.
I agree, bigger is better, but faster is not.
The bullet test I conducted prior to going to Africa proved this - to me at least. The test was the 380 gr Rhino at 2300 against a pair of X bullets; a 270 at 2850 and a 300 at 2600 shot into a row of 5 gallon oil pails filled with drill mud from a range of 20'. Both X bullets lost their petals, and the nose section of the recovered bullet measured about 3/4" of an inch. The X's both penetrated 32" and at the widest point the wound cavity was about 6" across. Both X's performed exactly the same, although the shank of the longer 300 gr shows signs that it was starting to bend. The 380 by comparison expanded to almost an inch, penetrated the same 32" but the wound diameter could not be measured due to the failure of the pails, but clearly the wound volume was triple that of the X's. The recovered 380 was completely expanded to the length of it's bonded core, and lost no significant weight.
Now it can be argued that the X's might perform better on game than in drill mud, but the point was I could make them fail where as I could not make the heavier slower bullet fail in an aqueous material.
The .510 570 gr X bullet at 2100 recovered from my buffalo lost no petals and like the 380 in the test expanded to almost an inch. Because the 380 gr bullet exhibited very similar expansion and would of hit with slightly more velocity, I bet the performance on the buff would of been very similar.
So if you want to get the most out of your .378 or .416 use the bullet that produces the biggest expansion rather than the one that's the fastest. I doubt if there is a land animal on the planet that could tolerate a good hit from a .378 loaded with 380 gr Rhinos at 2400 fps. Anything less it's just another deer rifle.
