Taking a handgun to and back to Canada

SVISTI1911 said:
My apologies if I missed a response to this but what the hell does the value have to do with anything as it is not being sold? The work involved for a $500 1911 pistol is the same as for a $10000 2011.
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it's the (liebtards') government policy ... doesn't have to have any sense at all ...

part of the plan to slowly suffocate and eventually kill the industry, all shooting sports, hunting, etc ... anything related to a legal civilian firearms ownership in Canada...

liebtards do not have any issues with criminals and criminal activities ... the more the merrier ... they will just trump up their "Drang for the Safety" rhetoric for brain-dead/washed plebs ...
 
We crossed in Windsor for a match in Michigan Saturday Sept 17th (see my post #36). Returning to Canada, we offered the Canadian border agent our folders of paperwork but he didn't want to see it. He asked a few questions about the match, including what paperwork we had (told him ATT and import permits). Then let us through. Didn't look at a firearm or a piece of paperwork other than passports and PALs (which we handed him when we pulled up to the booth).

Should I assume that all of my paperwork was shown on his computer? It was one of my easiest crossings into Canada with restricted firearms.


As an aside, we had no fun entering the USA. Four agents verified all of our serial numbers with those listed on our Form 6NIAs (2 of us crossing with 8 firearms) while at the booth on the Ambassador Bridge. I'm sure the cars behind us were thrilled. Then, after verifying everything, they sent us into secondary inspection so our story could be "verified". Was interesting watching two agents debating the sending us to secondary decision- one guy insisted to the other one that we didn't have to go into the office. But, agent #1 won out so into the holding area we went where they searched my car and took our IDs and ran more computer checks on us. We were almost late for the 9am safety meeting!
 
I’m a member at a range in Vermont.
I cross every weekend and sometimes twice.
I haven’t brought any pistols with me since the latest bull#### started since I shoot pistols at a range here in Quebec.
As for having serial numbers checked it’s a 50/50 chance on both the American and Canadian side.

I cross at a smaller border and on the US side they usually check serial numbers in the lane.
Most US customs guys want to talk guns and bull#### gun laws on both sides of the border.
Most seem to sympathize with our plight.
 
thump_rrr said:
I haven’t brought any pistols with me since the latest bull#### started.
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Same here, been to two matches down south since the latest BS and have been able to borrow equipment from my good friends in a free country, but bring ammo and everything else along.

No problems either way so far.
 
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So, if I understand correctly:

To cross the border with a handgun now you need:

1) STATT to get to/from the port (which you didnt need until King Turdholes reign)

2) Form 6NIA (been in force for a while)

3) Some sort of permit type paperwork to allow your handgun to be "exported" and "imported" again (which you didnt need until King Turdholes reign)

See the trend here folks? Eventually law abiding folks will decide the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

Criminals by contrast don't care because they, by definition, don't follow laws to begin with and so are unaffected.
 
Sniffer said:
So, if I understand correctly:

To cross the border with a handgun now you need:

1) STATT to get to/from the port (which you didnt need until King Turdholes reign)

2) Form 6NIA (been in force for a while)

3) Some sort of permit type paperwork to allow your handgun to be "exported" and "imported" again (which you didnt need until King Turdholes reign)

See the trend here folks? Eventually law abiding folks will decide the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

Criminals by contrast don't care because they, by definition, don't follow laws to begin with and so are unaffected.
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As I understand it, you do not need any export permit (yet), but you definitely need an import permit from Global Affairs I think and have to pay fees to re-import your own property.

I think this is moronic, but you are right that more and more folks will give up as the burden and now ridiculous situation of having to pay to re-import your own property will wear people down.
 
Land crossings are now enforcing the import permit requirement, at least two individuals have guns sitting in storage while their owners get permits to go pick them back up at the port they were seized at.
I recently came back from the World Shoot in Thailand with 2 pistols, there were about 2 dozen of us on the same flight, and we all cleared customs at the same time. We all had our paperwork and the CBSA officers quickly dealt with us, only checking serial numbers and documentation and then sending on our way. While I think the need is stupid, at least they did a good job dealing with us all.
 
To get an import permit to return from the US with previously owned handguns:

The new process is online application only and generally asks for the same info as the form.


go to: https://www.nexcol-nceel.canada.ca/en/Home-Accueil

Select: Submit Application without an Account

Select (under Import Permit Applications): Arms and Munitions

that will take you to the online form

The good news is that they have scroll down lists for border entry points and commodity codes.

The bad news is that they ask for the FRT entry number for your type of firearm! (https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/firearms/firearms-reference-table)

I really don't understand why they ask for so much redundant information, except if they are just trying to make the process onerous as possible.


Things to note (as per Global Affairs instructions):

1. As the firearms you are exporting are restricted and the destination is the US, you are able to utilise General Export Permit #47 (GEP 47). You do not have to apply for this permit; you simply write down “GEP 47” on your export declaration document under “permit number.”

2. Ensure that you have all the appropriate US import permits/documents.

3. Approximately 10 business days prior to the temporary export, apply for an import permit in order to return to Canada with your firearms.

4. In the online application, when asked to provide the Expected Date of Arrival you need to enter in your expected date of return to Canada.

5. You will be the “supplier/exporter” as these are your personal firearms.

6. You will need to provide a copy of your Firearms Licence (PAL), front and back, and a copy of your firearms registration. You will be able to upload these documents when completing your application online.

7. Your import permit will be valid for 120 days after issuance.
 
it cost me $23 for both my guns and the same for the girlfriend's single gun (worth the same as my two).

The above link is how we did our import permits, it took some back and forthing to get sh!t sorted, but in the end only a couple days to get the permit.
Only question I have that they have no answered, is since the permit is good for 4 months, does that include multiple crossings or just one?
 
I wonder if this additional piece of useless paperwork is deterring the criminals?

"Oh darn, I had planned to smuggle in a bunch of pistols to make some coin from my gang banging brothers but now that damned import permit system is in place I aint going to bother, its just too risky" Said no criminal ever.
 
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