Chief firearms office for Ontario refused temp ATT?

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I have a friend who is an amourer for one of the police forces and works on some of my guns every once in a while when I need it. Well in this case my M-29 is in need of some work so he said get a temp ATT and bring it over.

Weve done this numerous times all by the book and legally. I allways aquire a temp ATT and off its goes.

Today I called probably spoke to the same retired opp I usually get who in the past got me my ATT and was denied.

"I would like to get a TEMP ATT please"

"why"

"I would like to bring the firearms over to such in such to get some work done on it"

"Is he a licensed gunsmith"

"no in this case he does not need to be, he's just helping me with something"

"all repairs on a resticted firearm needs to be done by a gunsmith"

"he's not alterting the firearm in any way"

"you said it needs to be repaired right"

"yes, I told you the truth"

"well I wont issue an ATT for that unless its going to a gunsmith"

"Ive gotten ATT's from you guys before for this exact thing has something changed"

"we will not issue an ATT for something like that unless its going to a gunsmith"

"If I had lied and said it was going to him for evaluation for the purpose of a potential sale would I have gotten an ATT"

"Yes, but you didnt say that did you, you said its going to him for repairs"

"yes and I also said I would be taking the gun with me not leaving it there"

"we will not issue an ATT for something like that unless its going to a gunsmith"

To be honest I dont know if he is right or wrong but the way he spoke to me was way out of line, he even raised his voice. Very unprofessional, but really they can do whatever they want and there is no accountability is there.

Anyhow I ended the call with a thank you and that was that.

Anyone know if this is correct in my denial of an ATT, tought me a good lesson today on what to tell these guys.
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if you cant drive it, sand it, stain it, or shoot it then f@#k it!!
 
I was under the impression that "Gunsmith" is not a licensed trade, like electrician, millwright, welder, etc and that any person can hang a shingle on their door and call themselves a gunsmith...

Perhaps the CFO could clarify what a licensed gunsmith is.
 
He is not a registered gunsmith with the CFO and therefore does not have the gunsmith/dealer license. You should have asked for a borrowing permit then lent him the gun and voila.
 
coltfan said:
I was under the impression that "Gunsmith" is not a licensed trade, like electrician, millwright, welder, etc and that any person can hang a shingle on their door and call themselves a gunsmith...

Perhaps the CFO could clarify what a licensed gunsmith is.
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A licenced gunsmith would be one with a business licence issued by the CFO.
 
As far as the ATT goes, the business licence is what they want.
I have heard that the ON CFO wants evidence of training before a gunsmithing business licence is issued. Apparently a matchbook U correspondence course is acceptable. As if that would in any way insure competence.
I suspect that a move toward formal trade certification, given that there is essentially no training opportunity in Canada, would be a pretty effective way of shutting down most shops.
 
In Alberta our long term ATT's allow us to take the gun to a gunsmith. I don't recall anything about licenced on the permit so ..... there you have it!

Scott
 
thats why i am against this bull crap when legislature forces you to lie to do something reasonable thats when things should be questioned

I had a similar experience getting a marriage license

the wedding was planned my birth certificate was old and and the clerk didn't like it, i sent away for a new one that didn't get to me until after the wedding and they still denied us a license because we were married!!!!!!!! so now i have to lie and say we aren't married!

I am sick of this sort of crap !
 
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Good for you for having the patience to remain courteous.:)

However this can be summed up as the guy you were talking to is a prick, is a prick, is a prick & will remain a prick to his dying day.:D

I would bet if you were to call back & talk to one of the ladies there that you would get the temp ATT.
 
tiriaq said:
As far as the ATT goes, the business licence is what they want.
I have heard that the ON CFO wants evidence of training before a gunsmithing business licence is issued. Apparently a matchbook U correspondence course is acceptable. As if that would in any way insure competence.
I suspect that a move toward formal trade certification, given that there is essentially no training opportunity in Canada, would be a pretty effective way of shutting down most shops.
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Not that I'm supporting it, but to explain what I know happened...

What many of the CFOs did was require a certification of some type in order to issue the business gunsmith licence. (Yes, a 1 day glock armorer's course or an ICS correpondence course will do) Gunsmithing licences are the cheapest and easiest of the firearms business licences to get and an awful lot of people had them just so they could purchase products at dealer pricing from wholesalers for personal use and get some pretty far reaching ATTs.

When they did it in NS, the # of licensed dealers dropped to 20% of the previous #s. There were no less gun stores, just a lot less people with business licences.
 
the wedding was planned my birth certificate was old and and the clerk didn't like it, i sent away for a new one that didn't get to me until after the wedding and they still denied us a license because we were married!!!!!!!! so now i have to lie and say we aren't married!
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The reason for this is that all civil servant job applications require disclosure of the applicant's IQ. Any applicant with an IQ above 10 is automatically removed from the list of eligible applicants and are never interviewed. There is only one exemption from this requirement. That exemption states that if you are among the top 5% rudest and obnoxious citizens of the country and cannot speak the english language with any degree of clarity, then you are automatically considered top quality material for the civil service.
 
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Once again a legal, honest firearm owner is being treated like a criminal. What can we do about people like this? The permit process is not one where you phone to 'beg' for a legal permit, is it? Do we no longer have any 'rights' at all when it comes to any of this? Who exactly do these people answer to, anyway?

It is obvious that they are trying to force people to either give up owning firearms because it is so much of a pain in the ass to jump through the hoops, or force them to break the law hoping to catch them in the act. Either way it is a monstrous tactic and if anyone was treating the legal owners of ###X hobby equipment like this they would be held accountable for it.
 
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