Hmmmm. Good point.
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Hmmmm. Good point.
If that's true then virtually every bolt action hunting rifle in the country has been banned since the OiC. I think that interpretation is absolutely asinine but I also don't see much good evidence to refute it. It's a bloody mess.
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under the OIC it was clear that it was the chambering banned not the whole gun... C21 just says "this gun is banned"
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Stop following the law that enslaves you, it’s really that simple.
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Thats how I see it. Leaves them room for easy future bans. - dan
Baack during the OIC they listed the RPA quadlock by name under the 10,000 joules heading. Yet ONLY the 50 BMG Quadlock was made prohibited. The 308 version for example is non-restricted.
As was the Accuracy International AX series of rifles. It doesn't list calibers but only the 50 BMG version is prohibited.
It's a certain caliber that is prohibited not the action itself.
As was the Accuracy International AX series of rifles. It doesn't list calibers but only the 50 BMG version is prohibited.
It's a certain caliber that is prohibited not the action itself.
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If they wanted to ban calibres, they would have. It would look something like this, "any firearm chambering a cartridge that produces more than 10K Jules is prohibited including 50 BMG, 460 Weatherby, ###x ###x ###x ###x." Simple, clear, concise, and unarguable. They didn't, they named actions and rifles. Those actions and rifles are the object of the ban, not the chamberings. Stop reading what you want to see, and start reading what they wrote.
You really need to read over the proposed amendment and specifically the heading talking about how certain rifles are banned because of their Joule limit.
Meaning those firearms listed UNDERNEATH this heading are banned if they have a muzzle energy greater than 10,000 joules. A Mauser Sporter MAY have over 10,000 joules depending on the CALIBER.
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well just a matter of time to see how the law will be signed.
I'd rather be wrong, to be honest, but this little thing from the SCC "Hasselwander" says I'm not. The link is a legal opinion on the effect of Hasselwander
https://s3.amazonaws.com/CSSA/PDF/2020-05-13-CSSA-Legal-Opinion-Capable-of-10K-Joules.pdf
Law and regulations don't exist in a vacuum, they are are part of an ecosystem. This is why the 1908 Brazilian Mauser is listed, on its own, it doesn't make 3500 J. In fact all of it makes sense once you read the info at that link. Also since they've relisted all of the original 12x prohibitions, I think they're changing those classifications as well, and that Trudeau's going to make a grab for all of it in a snap election. I believe he thinks he can win enough of the east on a "gun control" ticket that the west won't matter.
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A Brazillian Mauser 1908 in 460 Weatherby does
All they are doing is listing the actions of rifles that have chamberings that meet the definition that was banned by the original OIC. Once again if we look at rifles such as the Accuracy International AX which is listed by name in the original OIC. When the OIC first came out everyone who owned one was freaking out that theirs were prohibited, only those made in certain calibers were deemed prohibited.
Same with the RPA Quadlock, a line of receivers. Only ones of a certain caliber are deemed prohibited, not the entire line.
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To be more accurate, that WAS the way it was handled, going forward I'm pretty sure that's going to change. The FRT as it stands today does not reflect the additions on the list, because the list is (like the FRT) not law - YET. Remember how the FRT was rewritten with regard to "ATRS Moderns" and many other previously "not a variant" firearms - I'm very confident that that was a dry run for this, to see if they could get away with it, they did.
Like I said, I hope I'm wrong - but being positive isn't easy these days when it comes to gun control.
Like I said, I hope I'm wrong - but being positive isn't easy these days when it comes to gun control.
