prohibited status - can you get it if not grandfathered?

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i thought when i took the firearms course my instructor hinted that if you wanted to become a collector and answered a long questionaire from the CFO you could get prohibited status
is that true?
is there a back door around the grandfather clause?
if there is another thread on this i apologize for not finding it (did look)

mark
 
No.
The only exception is 12(7) for a pre-1946 12(6) handgun acquired directly from an immediate family member.
 
"...is there a back door around the grandfather clause?..." Nope. Like tiriaq says, the only way to get a prohibited handgun is to inherit with a whole bunch of limitations. If you inherit, it does not mean you get 'grandfathered' to buy any more.
"only if all of the following criteria are met:
The handgun was made before 1946, and , the handgun was registered in Canada on December 1, 1998, and , you are the child, grandchild, brother, sister or spouse of the lawful owner, and , you are acquiring it for an approved purpose such as target shooting or as part of a collection."
 
What if I had a handgun that I purchased back in the seventies and it has a 4inch barrel, but the description on the certificate says 4.5 inches? Am I still entitled to apply for 12.6 status? After all, I should be entitled to it. I have owned the gun for over thirty years, it is just a mistake on the registration.
 
Unlikely.
You had to have a registered prohibited firearm as of the cutoff date. Your firearm was not registered as prohibited, so you did not acquire 12(6) status on your licence.
Whether you could "correct" the registration, have the firearm's status changed to prohibited, and have your licence amended for 12(6), I cannot say.
When the registration was updated from the old green slip to the new one, the correct barrel length was not reported?
There is only one way to find out. Keep in mind that if the Firearms Centre refuses to reregister the pistol as prohibited, and amend your licence, the pistol could be seized, or at the very least would have to be rebarrelled.
 
Paulinator said:
What if I had a handgun that I purchased back in the seventies and it has a 4inch barrel, but the description on the certificate says 4.5 inches? Am I still entitled to apply for 12.6 status? After all, I should be entitled to it. I have owned the gun for over thirty years, it is just a mistake on the registration.
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I would ask the NFA or CSSA for assistance. Dave Tomlinson was great at this ... God Bless His Soul
 
prosper said:
Well, if you started your own business, then that business could own 12(x) guns
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Was just about to say that. Oddly enough, a gun store can get pretty much anything that they can sell, so long as there's someone out there who could buy it. My 6/49 plan is to build canada's most awesome gunshop & range, I'll be certain to work towards outfitting the police & military with only the finest automatic weapons, which of course, I will need to personally test. :50cal: :ar15:
 
prosper said:
Well, if you started your own business, then that business could own 12(x) guns
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A typical retail business can sell prohibited firearms as the agent of the registered owner of the firearm. The prohibited firearms cannot become the property of the business.
 
tiriaq said:
A typical retail business can sell prohibited firearms as the agent of the registered owner of the firearm. The prohibited firearms cannot become the property of the business.
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Some guns are slow movers and could sit on the shelf on consignment for a long time........
 
joe-nwt said:
Some guns are slow movers and could sit on the shelf on consignment for a long time........
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They certainly could, and there is no reason that the business could not advance payment against the day when the firearm eventually sells.
But getting a business licence is a pretty involved way of having temporary access to prohibited firearms.
 
tiriaq said:
They certainly could, and there is no reason that the business could not advance payment against the day when the firearm eventually sells.
But getting a business licence is a pretty involved way of having temporary access to prohibited firearms.
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Also, a firearms business license is not cheap, especially if you want to deal in prohibs. Minimum of $325 per year, plus cost of other CFO requirements.

FEES FOR LICENCES — BUSINESSES

Column 1 Column 2
Item Business Activity Fee ($)

1. Retail sale of firearms

(a) selling fewer than 50 non-restricted firearms 125

(b) selling 50 or more non-restricted firearms 250

(c) selling fewer than 50 firearms, including at least 1 restricted firearm or prohibited firearm 325

(d) selling 50 or more firearms, including at least 1 restricted firearm or prohibited firearm 450
2. Selling at auction 125
3. Taking in pawn 250
4. Attendance at an out-of-province gun show 25
5. Wholesale or retail sale of firearms, as an agent 125
6. Wholesale sale of firearms 950
7. Manufacture, processing or assembly, other than any activity referred to in item 14,

(a) of firearms 1,075

(b) of prohibited devices (other than replica firearms), prohibited and restricted weapons and prohibited ammunition 125
8. Operating the business of a gunsmith 100
9. Storage of firearms 100
10. Transportation of firearms by a carrier 125
11. Activities of a museum possessing

(a) fewer than 20 firearms 40

(b) 20 to 49 firearms 60

(c) 50 or more firearms 150

12. Display or storage of firearms by the Royal Canadian Legion or an organized group of veterans of any armed forces of Canada or of a police force 25
13. Supplying to, or possessing for the purposes of, motion picture, video, television or theatrical productions, or publishing activities, other than activities referred to in item 14

(a) firearms (other than prohibited firearms referred to in paragraph (b)), prohibited weapons and prohibited devices including replica firearms 250

(b) prohibited firearms other than handguns under paragraph (a) of the definition "prohibited firearm" in subsection 84(1) of the Criminal Code 1,250

14. For the purposes of theatrical productions or publishing activities, manufacturing or supplying or possessing replica firearms or supplying or possessing firearms except prohibited firearms referred to in item 13(b) 50
15. Ammunition

(a) retail sale
25

(b) wholesale sale and manufacturing
625
16. Possession for a purpose referred to in paragraph 22(j) of the Firearms Licences Regulations 125
17. Possession for a purpose referred to in section 22 of the Firearms Licences Regulations, other than the activities set out in items 1 to 16 125
18. Activities other than those set out in items 1 to 17 50

SOR/98-471, s. 12; SOR/2004-272, s. 7.
 
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cdill said:
Move to the real land designed for gun owners....USA!

(Of course that could all change overnight if they elect a Dem President - they don't like that Second Amendment in the old Constitution.)


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Yeah, but then they've got those "checks and balances" like the senate, the house of representatives, and all of those states that included phrases like "while recognizing an individual's Second Amendment Rights" in their concealed carry permit laws. This phrase makes it very tough to go back and say the right doesn't exist. Cool huh? Also gun control in the States isn't as sharply divided an issue on party lines, there are pro gun dem's and unfortunately anti gun republicans. Incidently there is to my knowledge only 1 pro gun NDPer in Canada, who is politically active.
 
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