Springfield Operator

Kimber, STI, Colt, Para-Ord...anything but SA. My $0.02. Cast frames from Brazil, lots of cast & MIM parts, out of spec and I've always gotten really crappy service from SA. I won't be buying another one.
 
Kimber, STI, Colt, Para-Ord...anything but SA. My $0.02. Cast frames from Brazil, lots of cast & MIM parts, out of spec and I've always gotten really crappy service from SA. I won't be buying another one.

Permit me to retort. My SA GI .45 has close to a thousand rounds in less than a year through it. Not a single jam or malfunction. Highly recommended for a new gun. Colt prices seem beyond the reach of the newbie shooters. I guess it depends on what you want to do with it. Soon everything is going to be made in Brazil or elsewhere.
 
"Invidion" - what are you looking to spend - this will totally affect the answer, as well as what is important to you in a 1911 (quality, reliability, lack of plastic parts, resale value, features, range cred etc.)...
 
Permit me to retort. My SA GI .45 has close to a thousand rounds in less than a year through it. Not a single jam or malfunction. Highly recommended for a new gun. Colt prices seem beyond the reach of the newbie shooters. I guess it depends on what you want to do with it. Soon everything is going to be made in Brazil or elsewhere.

I had a busted watch once...it was right...twice a day!:D;) Not to crap on you, but 1000 rounds through a 1911 isn't much. Heck some pistols are barely broken in by then!:D When it comes to guns, like anything I guess, ultimately the only one you have to please is yourself. I had a couple of bad experiences with "lemon" Springfield's, made worse by crappy customer service. I sold the pistols at a loss, after telling the new owners my experience, and moved on. I'm glad to hear you've had a more positive experience, maybe SA is finally getting their crap together?:D
 
I'd be wary of Springfield as well, but to correct another member, I believe that the frames are FORGED in Brazil by Imbel, who previously made FN's.

And, I've gotta say, that forged Imbel frame saved a friend of mine's fingers when a squib load turned into a KABOOM on the next shot.

However, the pistol being a "Milspec", we discovered that there was so much #### out of spec, it was very difficult to fit even the most simple of parts, a mainspring housing, because the pin hole was off.

Thanks, Springfield, for the frame, but you can keep everything else.
 
I have an original TRP Operator that I positively love. The gun was made and built in the US in 2004. I guess I have about 4-5,000 rounds through it so far and the only issue I have had is when I haven't maintained the magazines. The gun runs like a Timex and when I do my job, it puts the bullets exactly where I want them. I believe that this gun performs better than more than a few of the top of the line custom guns (I have handled Wilson Combats, High End STIs and a Grand Raptor and only the WC could even compare). Maybe I got lucky? Who knows. All I can say for sure is that this gun was the best $1,550 I ever spent.

Now, having said that, TSE had a few SA TRPs in (one blued and one stainless) and from what I was told by staff at the store (before I worked there) both of the guns were unsatisfactory. Not what one would expect of a handgun that one pays about $1,900.00 for, that's for sure.

If you have the time (and the coin) a Para-Ordinance is a worthy investment. We had an SSP-SE1 in midnight blue through there and boy! What a nice pistol!

From what I figure, it basically comes down to what we see in car manufacture. Who manufactured the parts, who assembled it, what kind of day they were having and a fair bit of phase of the moon/tides/alignment of the planets... The more reputable makers will have fewer dogs coming off thier line, but you can also find a real gem from a less reputable maker from time to time too.
 
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