Is 300 Winchester same as 300 Win Mag?

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Hey guys,

new here, hope you guys doing well.

Have a question about rifle calibre, I'm looking for a Tikka 300 Win Mag for a while, at Cabela's Canada found a "Tikka T3x Bolt-Action Rifle" with calibre 300 Winchester, my question is: Can I shoot 300 Win Mag cartridges with this rifle?

Is 300 Winchester same as 300 Win Mag?
 
There is two .300 Winchester.. ( .300 WSM - Winchester Short Magnum) and the .300 Winchester Magnum - .300 Win Mag.
Call them before you buy. WSM is in a short action..the other on a long action.
 
Janeau said:
There is two .300 Winchester.. ( .300 WSM - Winchester Short Magnum) and the .300 Winchester Magnum - .300 Win Mag.
Call them before you buy. WSM is in a short action..the other on a long action.
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This is true.
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OP - go here: https://saami.org/wp-content/upload...99.4-CFR-Approved-2015-12-14-Posting-Copy.pdf Should be the last official version by SAAMI - they list "300 Winchester Magnum" and "300 Winchester Short Magnum". If you found a rifle stamped or advertised as a "300 Winchester" - then you ought to take that up with the maker or the advertiser - I do not think that I have heard of a cartridge with the name "300 Winchester", although such a thing might exist.
 
While there are indeed two cartridges that include ".300 Winchester" in their designations...the .300 Win Mag and the .300 WSM (Win Short Mag)...generally speaking, when a gun is referred to as a .300Win it is a .300WinMag. A .300WSM is usually referred to exactly that way: .300WSM...as if that is some gigantic selling point...:)

You can't always go by action lengths; the Tikka, for example, has only one action length and uses it for all cartridges.

By all means, check to be certain...but in this case I would bet folding money that the rifle is a .300 Win Mag.

By the way, when I say check...I mean visually check it yourself by reading the cartridge designation on the barrel. I have personally heard a Cabela's gun shop employee informing a customer that the advantage of the .300WinMag is the fact that you can shoot all those shorter .30-cal cartridges like the .308. .30-06, .300WSM etc. in it...but if you buy the .30-06 you can't shoot anything "bigger" than .30-06 in it, so the .300WinMag is much more versatile. Just to be clear: NO YOU CAN'T! When the barrel says "use only .300WinMag cartridges" that means you can ONLY use .300WinMag cartridges.

And when the barrel just says ".300WinMag"...you still use ONLY .300WinMag.:)
 
Ever meet the guy who thinks he can only shoot Winchester ammo in their 300 Wins because it says so on the barrel? He's out numbered by the guys that can only shot Remington factory ammo in their 7 Rems but I'm pretty sure they're all cousins.;)
 
Just encountered an incident where a Cabela's gun counter employee tried selling 6.5 Creedmore ammo to a fellow looking for 6.5x284 factory loads.
Be careful out there folks.
He's likely the same guy who will try to sell you a 22 gauge Browning Citori semi auto with variable screw in things that go into the end of the pipes.
 
That's why a Winchester 70 is marked ".300 Winchester Magnum", while a rifle made by any other maker simply says ".300 Win Mag"...it's done specifically to confuse those guys...:)
 
So a person passes there pal coarse and goes looking for a rifle a 300 win mag but gets confused because there is a 300 win short mag . Apparently the coarse is not in-depth enough. Or one’s comprehension skills is lacking . .
300 Wssm
300 win mag
300 Winchester mag
Where is the confusion
 
In the OP's defense they did not specify if they were in store or looking online. May just be a crappy advertisement/flyer with mistakes on it. Or an uninformed employee reading off a box.
 
I suppose if you are led to believe it is a "300 Winchester" - then you will know it is NOT a 300 AAC Blackout, 300 Savage, a 300 Norma, a 300 H&H nor a 300 Weatherby - but several of those are not the complete or official name of the cartridge, either. I am not familiar with any cartridge named "300 Winchester", nor "300 Remington" for that matter - they might exist, but I do not recall seeing or reading about them.

What a cartidge is "officially" named, and what people refer to it as, sometimes is different, and sometimes changes over time. For many decades, a "7 mm" referred to a 7x57 cartridge. Many users today will mean their 7mm Remington Magnum - perhaps ignoring there are like 5 or 6 other "magnums" that can use the same size and weights of bullet - 7x61 Sharpe and Hart, 28 Nosler, 7mm Weatherby Magnum, 7mm STW, 7mm Remington Ultra Mag - to name a few.
 
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struff55 said:
So a person passes there pal coarse and goes looking for a rifle a 300 win mag but gets confused because there is a 300 win short mag . Apparently the coarse is not in-depth enough. Or one’s comprehension skills is lacking . .
300 Wssm
300 win mag
300 Winchester mag
Where is the confusion
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They might have taught the difference between 300 WSM and 300 Win Mag when you took the firearms course but that’s not on the agenda nowadays.

Seeing that the OP doesn’t know the difference, he’s none the wiser after reading your reply… :sok2
 
Citori54 said:
I just looked at the ad on the Cabelas site and the OP's confusion is justified. It is a Tikka and the description is simply .300 Winchester, it doesn't state Mag or WSM.
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For sure that is confusing - ht tps://www.cabelas.ca/product/147855/special-edition-tikka-t3x-bolt-action-rifle-in-truetimber-vsx And they list others as 300 Winchester Magnum.
 
But my question is, if the rifle is a Tikka 300 Winchester, how do I know, if the rifle can shoot with 300 win mag or 300 win mag short? Callibre shows only "Tikka T3x 300 Winchester".
 
Perhaps is something to be taken up with the vendor? I would not know what ammo to buy or to make for that one, if all that I knew was that it was chambered in "300 Winchester". And, to be fair, I only looked at Cabela's on-line advert - I have not seen the rifle "in person", to see what is stamped on that barrel.

I have one rifle barrel here - not commercially produced - it was originally a WWI M1917 rifle chambered in 30-06 - it has been modified by someone - the bolt face is enlarged, the magazine has been altered and the chamber accepts a 300 Weatherby cartridge - but I have not yet done a chamber cast to confirm what that chambering actually is. That barrel is marked "HS" with a flaming bomb - so was likely originally produced as a replacement 30-06 barrel for M1917 rifles during WWII - apparently 1950's and 1960's saw many ideas for a 30 caliber magnum that may or may not fit to a Weatherby brass case, and those surplus WWII 30-06 barrels were likely very cheap to buy to get a 30 caliber barrel. There is also NO stamping on that barrel to indicate what it is currently chambered in - but, as mentioned, is NOT a commercially available product - likely was done up in someone's workshop.
 
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Haikou said:
But my question is, if the rifle is a Tikka 300 Winchester, how do I know, if the rifle can shoot with 300 win mag or 300 win mag short? Callibre shows only "Tikka T3x 300 Winchester".
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Well, as some others have said, if it’s a short mag it would be labeled as 300WSM but you’d have to call a Cabelas store and hope you can talk to a switched on counter guy.

It’s a beautiful rifle and if it was me, I’d get it in 30-06. Less recoil and good for all large game, moose included. Maybe I need a new 30-06, damn that’s a good looking rifle and the Tika is high quality for sure. You won’t find much better.
 
Haikou said:
Hey guys,

new here, hope you guys doing well.

Have a question about rifle calibre, I'm looking for a Tikka 300 Win Mag for a while, at Cabela's Canada found a "Tikka T3x Bolt-Action Rifle" with calibre 300 Winchester, my question is: Can I shoot 300 Win Mag cartridges with this rifle?

Is 300 Winchester same as 300 Win Mag?
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You could MAYBE ask them thru a phone call or e mail ? RJ
 
... and then there are those who claim to have a 300 winny.

I think the reference to 300 Winchester is simply a shorter version of saying 300 Winchester Magnum...

Most do not say 300 Winchester Magnum either... they say 300 Win Mag...



I think the ignorance in some retail outlets is astounding.
 
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