jagermyster
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Just wondering what the best way is to measure tge deviation in my type 81 and what is acceptable
How do i measure tge deviation in my type 81
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz11mKx9Y2k
IIRC TI said something like up to 4mm was in spec not digging up that quote but its in the T81 sticky somewhere.
IIRC TI said something like up to 4mm was in spec not digging up that quote but its in the T81 sticky somewhere.
jagermyster
CGN Regular
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How do i tell
jagermyster
CGN Regular
- Location
- British Columbia
How do i tell
That was a joke haha 4mm deviation or less is what ur looking for. From what point to another im not sure, ud have to email Tactical Imports about that one.
Realistically the human eye is a surprisingly precise instrument. IMO you can simply strip the gun down to reciever and barrel and just look down it from multiple perspectives. Ull see if its noticeably bent or not.
jagermyster
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Measured it and it came to a 1.5mm deviation from chamber to muzzle but my stock is def canted a bit to the right but from what i hear is sorta common with combloc guns
1.5mm is really good by Type 81 standards
It's only common according to TI and people trying to justify the ownership of indeed defective product. All these "4mm" and "stocks common deviations" are pure BS that flies only in Canada where we have almost no access to original combloc guns and USA where they need to rebuild receivers.
VZ58 with original military receivers and original military barrels were straight, weren't they? Even replaced barrels were installed correctly. I have handled and shot enough of AK-family guns in my life to claim that USSR manufactured AKs had no BS "deviations", not in trunnions , not in stocks.
T81 produced for military had no these defects and there's a reason why many of our t81 are bent, however I would leave this reason to everyone's curious mind and won't elaborate.
It feels kinda surreal that in 21st century there's a need to convince ppl that humanity mastered straight gun barrels the same century first "hand cannons" were developed, and was in 15th century! Not to mention that concept of "straight" was for sure known long before Mesopotamian civilization.
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Think about it.
Do you rather not want the type 81 available for purchase in Canada? Very easy, don't buy it.
And then we have the people who put the SKS down, the people who don't like everything Chinese and so on. There are choices, make your own.
In regards to type 81: I have yet to see posts that they don't fire. So sad for the bashers.
I think only one batch of CZ858 was converted full automatic. Remember the drama. Banned, then not banned, then banned again. The VZ58 was new production, more expensive too. I had a restricted VZ58 with a short barrel, piece of art. Sold it because I don't like restricted rifles but what a beauty. I believe the price was around $1,500 before they got banned. The aftermarket list of accessories was longer than my arm, with side rail installed already by the factory, lol. Milled receiver, hmm. Would be over $2K today.
I misspoke, I meant "able to manufacture straight gun". Sure it's just trunnion issue, not barrel. Well, there's also stock alignment issue, gas block alignment issue and there are some new type of issues with this fantasy beast "SVD" or whatever they call it.
I'm all pro- having variety and I own Type81 (had to go through number of them until found properly aligned one) and enjoy this cold-war type design for what it is. However as an engineer, as firearm history researcher I just can't stand TI's BS and some people buying it to justify poor QA on civilian version of Type 81. At the same time I'm thankful to TI for bringing this stuff in. Just tel ppl honestly what it is - it's poor QA, not some invented "chicom military tolerances"
I'd be curious to see what the build quality is like in comparison to military production T81's. Hard to tell from videos on them or the US imports. Typically I'd say to compare literature, but I'm not sure if Chinese documentation is very reliable for build quality.
Is the general consensus still that the first import LMGs were the best quality?
Is the general consensus still that the first import LMGs were the best quality?
I have my theorys and doubts as well. But at the same when i gut these things down to barrel, tin and rivets and invision how theyed be manufactured in the cheapest way possible to arm millions on a budget, i can see why the issues we are seeing would come up, and why the PLA from a mechanical and philosophical stand point would have little to no reason to care. Nothing about the poor QC actually matters when it comes to shouldering the firearm and hitting an invader 300m away.
Its the 1980s and they are issuing a stamped steel 7.62x39 gun with wood furniture and not even an optic rail, they were behind before they even started lol shows how much they cared about the troops on a individual basis...
Its the 1980s and they are issuing a stamped steel 7.62x39 gun with wood furniture and not even an optic rail, they were behind before they even started lol shows how much they cared about the troops on a individual basis...
