What abouy a 9mm Para bolt action rifle?

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45ACP Mauser 98 conversion
http://www.troupsystems.com/MAUSER/mauser_conversions.htm

Sniper's Hide thread on converting bolt action rifle to 9mm
https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/is-it-possible-to-build-a-bolt-action-9mm-rifle.50751/
 
A member ( whom knows his Shyte) reached out to me through PM. He said Destroyers will function quite well with 9 x 19. Magazines as well.
Some of the more OCD members will be aghast at this idea. My Destroyer closes quite nicely on a 9mm para. No need to fire it...I have ammo
A thought though
 
Suther said:
Not at the price those rifles go for these days, $1239usd MSRP is an expensive gun when the PC Carbine is only $779usd.

As long as semi autos are legal in this country I don't see manual actions selling very well, especially when some semi auto options are cheaper.

Even once semi autos get banned in this country I can't see $1500+ 9mm bolt actions selling well. I know I wouldn't buy one, I just don't see the point - the appeal of 9mm to me is that it's cheap, but if the rifle is expensive that kind of defeats the purpose. 9mm isn't much good for hunting, a bolt action isn't much good for self defense, and if it's all about cost than 22lr is cheaper. At least that's my reasoning.
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I think it depends on what for.
I think 9mm would be great for a lightweight compact bolt gun. Something to graduate my kids to after the savage rascal.
Taking newbies out it would be a not so scary gun to get them started on. I try to introduce a minimum of 1 person a year to shooting.
Also I don't under estimate the 9mm . I think under 50 meters it would be fine for anything in NB short of a moose.
 
homslice said:
I think it depends on what for.
I think 9mm would be great for a lightweight compact bolt gun. Something to graduate my kids to after the savage rascal.
Taking newbies out it would be a not so scary gun to get them started on. I try to introduce a minimum of 1 person a year to shooting.
Also I don't under estimate the 9mm . I think under 50 meters it would be fine for anything in NB short of a moose.
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223 would be a better option for that niche IMO. Ammo isn't as cheap but guns are available and affordable.
 
I Dont Care About You said:
Sideways is no good. :(
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I only know of one other 9mm Lee in Canada. It seems to chamber and feed fine.

Suther said:
Interesting. My kids equate loudness with fun. lol

They have only shot 22lr, but they love to be around when the bigger guns come out.
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It just a general observation I noticed when people were shooting with new shooters and short barrel AR were on the firing line. That many associate loud with recoil.

I was shooting my Herrett which caused a few loud WTF was that. The 16" 3030 the guy and his friend firing were shooting, wasn't close to being as loud. I walk over and give them a round and extext my hand with the gun. Both grabbed it like a sawed off. Its actually comfortable to shoot as a handgun.
 
Suther said:
Not at the price those rifles go for these days, $1239usd MSRP is an expensive gun when the PC Carbine is only $779usd.

As long as semi autos are legal in this country I don't see manual actions selling very well, especially when some semi auto options are cheaper.

Even once semi autos get banned in this country I can't see $1500+ 9mm bolt actions selling well. I know I wouldn't buy one, I just don't see the point - the appeal of 9mm to me is that it's cheap, but if the rifle is expensive that kind of defeats the purpose. 9mm isn't much good for hunting, a bolt action isn't much good for self defense, and if it's all about cost than 22lr is cheaper. At least that's my reasoning.
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Yes you are right, the price would be rediculous, but they are beautiful rifles and it would just be a plinker for me. sometimes its just fun to work a bolt action and take your time. Im picturing a walnut full stock 9mm RSI model stainless to help deplete my now useless pile of ammo.
 
Ruger has made pistol caliber bolt action rifles. Something like that with interchangeable magazine housings permitting the use of different pistol magazines would probably sell. Sort of a modern Destroyer carbine.
Converting an action scaled for a full sized rifle cartridge to function smoothly with 9mm is a bit of an uphill struggle - and a sledgehammer to drive a tack - even if it does work.
 
I think that a better way to go if it has to be a manual action, and that day keeps looking closer, are the straight pull actions that are almost identical to the semi-automatics. Can't recall where the videos I saw were from...

Some lock open and the bolt release has to be hit every shot or are locked at firing and need to be charged every round. I can see a use for either but they would be much better for action shooting and closely resemble existing tactical platforms.
 
vagrantviking said:
I think that a better way to go if it has to be a manual action, and that day keeps looking closer, are the straight pull actions that are almost identical to the semi-automatics. Can't recall where the videos I saw were from...

Some lock open and the bolt release has to be hit every shot or are locked at firing and need to be charged every round. I can see a use for either but they would be much better for action shooting and closely resemble existing tactical platforms.
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Yes that would be better for action shooting and would possibly function easier, but i guess my tastes have changed. Im kind of bored with aluminum "tactical" guns covered in rails and sharp angles, especially if they are manual repeaters. I guess my logic is that if a ruger pcc is essentially a scaled up 10/22, then why not scale up a 77/22 to a 77/9? Yes, I have a thing for old rugers sorry. I would love to hear from some Canadian manufacturers or machinists thoughts on making a 9mm bolt gun, I want one
 
OkayShooter said:
I only know of one other 9mm Lee in Canada. It seems to chamber and feed fine.



It just a general observation I noticed when people were shooting with new shooters and short barrel AR were on the firing line. That many associate loud with recoil.

I was shooting my Herrett which caused a few loud WTF was that. The 16" 3030 the guy and his friend firing were shooting, wasn't close to being as loud. I walk over and give them a round and extext my hand with the gun. Both grabbed it like a sawed off. Its actually comfortable to shoot as a handgun.
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Oh. Yeah. Short barreled ARs are loud, especially because they usually have brakes on em and even with the little 223 those suck to be beside.

But if we're talking noise from 9mm bolt guns, wouldn't it only be fair to compare that to a 223 bolt gun, rather than an AR with a short barrel and brake?
 
dk223 said:
Yes that would be better for action shooting and would possibly function easier, but i guess my tastes have changed. Im kind of bored with aluminum "tactical" guns covered in rails and sharp angles, especially if they are manual repeaters. I guess my logic is that if a ruger pcc is essentially a scaled up 10/22, then why not scale up a 77/22 to a 77/9? Yes, I have a thing for old rugers sorry. I would love to hear from some Canadian manufacturers or machinists thoughts on making a 9mm bolt gun, I want one
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They wouldn't have to scale anything, they're already got the 77/357. I can't imagine it would be that much work to get one of those working with 9mm instead of 357mag, just need a different chamber and a different magazine I would think? (I guess different bolt face too, due to the lack of a rim on the 9mm)

But they're not cheap, and they don't make a lot of them. I saw a thread a few weeks ago with someone asking Prophet River if they can get them a 77/44 and this was the exchange:

davetrue said:
Hi there,

I was wondering if you happened to know if Ruger has discontinued the 77/44 rifles or if you will see any in stock in the near future?

Thanks!
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Prophet River said:
Models 7416 and 7417 were on the list of models we could 'book' for 2023. Of course, they were last few years and we've seen none .
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Suther said:
Oh. Yeah. Short barreled ARs are loud, especially because they usually have brakes on em and even with the little 223 those suck to be beside.

But if we're talking noise from 9mm bolt guns, wouldn't it only be fair to compare that to a 223 bolt gun, rather than an AR with a short barrel and brake?
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I only said AR with brake, as the young people want the LCF guns. Because of COD.

Even in a bolt gun, or 20" AR barrel. 223 has a pretty loud super sonic crack. 1050-1200 fps vs 25-3000 fps. I have a 12.5" and 18" 9mm and it's not even close to the loudness of 223. Even more quiet if you keep your 9mm subsonic. Your kids may think loud is fun because you raised them, and introduced them around guns. But that friend that never held a gun, that you invited to the range might not think so.

But I would love to see more manual action 9mm on the market. If they would be reasonably price.. ha I know, I'm dreaming. Hell even a simple gun like a 9mm cooey type gun would be nice. Designed to handle 9mm of course.
 
Looks like I'm late to the party! (that's what I get for working till 3am...)
I also have (more than) toyed with the idea of a 9mm bolt gun. I haven't put one together yet mind you, so this is armchair gunsmithing at this point, but I believe I can make a tikka run in 9mm with a .223 bolt face, 9mm bbl and bottom metal.
The issue I see with projects like this is cost. As someone pointed out "under a grand" as a sweet spot. Building a custom rifle, or designing a complete platform under a grand would be tall order in Canada. However, If one could buy a barrel/mag/bolt "kit" and install at home I think there could be some potential...
Cheers!
Paul.
 
Take a look at the Curtis Tactical CT700P. Interesting concept, remington 700 with a mag block that takes pistol mags. Obviously other work done to the rifle as well like barrel and bolt face changes, but noteworthy for this thread. Maybe someone from ATRS could shed some light on the practicality of building a 9mm bolt gun of their own design. Or maybe there is not enough interest to build such a thing. Perhaps someone smarter than me can can start a poll on this topic
 
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