AB reg's on Copper Monolithics

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Got a great line on deer meat, helping a guide clear out the " I don't want the meat...give it away " after the 'mericans go home.
Me and the 'Better Half' were dismantling a massive WT Buck and she handed me the bullet... found it behind R front shoulder blade. 180 grain Barnes 'X' out of a 300 Win Mag...143.2 grains retained weight from a 180 grain pill FYI ( Guides input...I'm not rainman, lol)
I'm not really a Fudd...my Avatar ( Robert Monroe ... Great grandfather) just makes me look like it, lol.
But I thought copper solids were still on the no-go in AB...my son agrued with me that they are no-go. He visited with his good friend whom runs the F & G detachment in Maple Creek, and it seems that they are GTG as long as they are a HP.
What is the mean skinny on these solids...got a part box of Barnes in 9.3 mm, but they are RN?
Google Foo is kinda circular...not really that good info wise IMO.
 
"Solid" is a confusing term because it is applied to several different types of bullets. In the traditional British/African sense, a "Solid" is a non expanding bullet. As opposed to a "soft". Originally a bullet with a harder metal envelope over lead, or "full metal jacket". The term "solid" has been traditionally applied to any non-expanding bullet.

Some modern bullet manufacturers have labelled their bullets as "solid copper" or "Monolithic solids" or "expanding solid" some other slightly confusing terminology to let the buyer know it is all one material, usually pure copper or some copper alloy.

The key thing for meeting Canadian hunting regulations is whether or not the bullet is constructed in such a way that it is designed to expand. My stash of 9.3mm Barnes "solids" are indeed RN and designed to penetrate without expansion. Good for follow up shots on a wounded Cape Buffalo or for reaching the brain of an Elephant through all that bone. But not so good to shoot a moose with, and not legal in Alberta or anywhere else in Canada that I'm aware of for hunting large game.

If your "solid copper" bullets are hollow points or plastic capped hollow points and designed to expand, you're legal to hunt with them in Canada.
 
tokguy said:
Got a great line on deer meat, helping a guide clear out the " I don't want the meat...give it away " after the 'mericans go home.
Me and the 'Better Half' were dismantling a massive WT Buck and she handed me the bullet... found it behind R front shoulder blade. 180 grain Barnes 'X' out of a 300 Win Mag...143.2 grains retained weight from a 180 grain pill FYI ( Guides input...I'm not rainman, lol)
I'm not really a Fudd...my Avatar ( Robert Monroe ... Great grandfather) just makes me look like it, lol.
But I thought copper solids were still on the no-go in AB...my son agrued with me that they are no-go. He visited with his good friend whom runs the F & G detachment in Maple Creek, and it seems that they are GTG as long as they are a HP.
What is the mean skinny on these solids...got a part box of Barnes in 9.3 mm, but they are RN?
Google Foo is kinda circular...not really that good info wise IMO.
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Ab regs you are talking of were written for military FMJ bullets, I believe. X bullets didn't exist when that was added, as it's been there as long as I have been hunting, and that was well before Barnes creations hit the market. - dan
 
Longwalker said:
"Solid" is a confusing term because it is applied to several different types of bullets. In the traditional British/African sense, a "Solid" is a non expanding bullet. As opposed to a "soft". Originally a bullet with a harder metal envelope over lead, or "full metal jacket". The term "solid" has been traditionally applied to any non-expanding bullet.
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This. I'm not sure what the AB regs say, but in BC they don't use the term solid, they use non-expanding. And a TSX is most definitely an expanding bullet.
 
Yup Barnes Bullets are neither full metal jacketed or non expanding!
They are completly legal .
I am quite surprised the 180 only weighed 143 after it was recovered however .
Cat
 
iron cat said:
Yup Barnes Bullets are neither full metal jacketed or non expanding!
They are completly legal .
I am quite surprised the 180 only weighed 143 after it was recovered however .
Cat
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Same, I would have figured 143 recovered was from a 150gr, unless it shed a petal.
 
Alberta Wildlife Act, RSA 2000, c W-10

Schedule

Items Prohibited for Hunting Purposes

Item 2
Items prohibited for hunting big game

2 Ammunition that contains non‑expanding bullets.
 
BattleRife said:
Alberta Wildlife Act, RSA 2000, c W-10

Schedule

Items Prohibited for Hunting Purposes

Item 2
Items prohibited for hunting big game

2 Ammunition that contains non‑expanding bullets.
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That description is very vague... I knew it existed. But does it also apply to HP copper mono's or just copper mono's was kind of the point.
So thanks for the input...but it's really nothing of use to the present discussion.
 
tokguy said:
That description is very vague... I knew it existed. But does it also apply to HP copper mono's or just copper mono's was kind of the point.
So thanks for the input...but it's really nothing of use to the present discussion.
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Doesn’t matter what they are made of or how they are constructed. Do they expand? If Yes. Good to go.
 
tokguy said:
That description is very vague... I knew it existed. But does it also apply to HP copper mono's or just copper mono's was kind of the point.
So thanks for the input...but it's really nothing of use to the present discussion.
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Barnes advertises the TSX and TTSX as expanding bullets, so they are perfectly legal in Alberta.
 
I am not sure that the AB regs are vague at all.
Non expanding, IE: full metal jacket, solids(marked non expanding)
Thought the one thing I have always thought was not a great hunting bullet is hard cast. When propelled at low velocity, like a 45-70 at 1200fps does a hard cast expand? The ones I have seen don't
they just get a bit flat and pass threw, so that in the definition is non-expanding, if the cast round was made with softer lead then it mushroom
 
"full metal jacketed non-expanding".

There's no ifs, ands or buts or even a comma in the BC regulation.

I also have no idea where people got the idea that hard cast are good hunting bullets.
 
Longwalker said:
"Solid" is a confusing term because it is applied to several different types of bullets. In the traditional British/African sense, a "Solid" is a non expanding bullet. As opposed to a "soft". Originally a bullet with a harder metal envelope over lead, or "full metal jacket". The term "solid" has been traditionally applied to any non-expanding bullet.

Some modern bullet manufacturers have labelled their bullets as "solid copper" or "Monolithic solids" or "expanding solid" some other slightly confusing terminology to let the buyer know it is all one material, usually pure copper or some copper alloy.

The key thing for meeting Canadian hunting regulations is whether or not the bullet is constructed in such a way that it is designed to expand. My stash of 9.3mm Barnes "solids" are indeed RN and designed to penetrate without expansion. Good for follow up shots on a wounded Cape Buffalo or for reaching the brain of an Elephant through all that bone. But not so good to shoot a moose with, and not legal in Alberta or anywhere else in Canada that I'm aware of for hunting large game.

If your "solid copper" bullets are hollow points or plastic capped hollow points and designed to expand, you're legal to hunt with them in Canada.
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Ontario solids are legal for hunting
 
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