Charles Daly over under, happiness of frustration ?

I'd say parts in in short supply for most guns
I can see a big parts issue for all these imports.
I saw a nice looking Yildiz but the guy won't ship it, says it's too much hassle.
Russian Baikal in the EE looks like it would do the job, but I think I'll be happier if I wait for a Citori in the 1400 range to come along
 
I'd say parts in in short supply for most guns
I can see a big parts issue for all these imports.
I saw a nice looking Yildiz but the guy won't ship it, says it's too much hassle.
Russian Baikal in the EE looks like it would do the job, but I think I'll be happier if I wait for a Citori in the 1400 range to come along

I too was looking at the Yildiz - SAIL had one for about a grand at the time I didn't want to drive 2-3 hours to pick it up and I had to pay down some bills so I passed on it - last year I had the funds in my hands when I bought the Charles Daly. I may do a review on it on YT one day hopefully show people that they are underrated
 
I too was looking at the Yildiz - SAIL had one for about a grand at the time I didn't want to drive 2-3 hours to pick it up and I had to pay down some bills so I passed on it - last year I had the funds in my hands when I bought the Charles Daly. I may do a review on it on YT one day hopefully show people that they are underrated

Your rating is based on having shot three rabbits with it. Wait and review it after you've put 5000 rounds down it. Most turkish guns won't make that.
 
Your rating is based on having shot three rabbits with it. Wait and review it after you've put 5000 rounds down it. Most turkish guns won't make that.

I don't think I ever would fire that many rounds out of it - maybe 2-3 hundred max since its only a hunting gun not a high volume trap gun. Would it last that many rounds probably not however my review would be reflective on what I use it for (hunting) - to date I have fired exactly 7 rounds three to check function.

My high volume guns are savage mark ii over 4500 rounds and my Axis just over 2300 rounds.
 
Charles Daly is not a manufacturer, they just import from other manufacturers, and they have imported some good firearms, as well as some junk. The simple fact is that it costs more than $600-$700, to produce a qualitu O/U, that will stand up over time. If you are going to shoot a few hundred rounds per year, the cheap shotguns may last you several years, if you are going to shoot thousands of rounds per year, they likely won't stand up long term.
 
I'm of the opinion that NO new guns B or not are of the quality of the past. In my club I know of 2 DT 11 Berettas that are in for warranty work ,one with less than a 1000 ,and another that the forearm split and the fellow is fighting with Beretta (stoeger) over a replacement. Shooting last saturday and the guy beside me brand (july last year) Kriegoff stopped ,no idea why firing pin hammer spring ?.So to say Turkish is bad is a broad stroke after paying 12,000 for a DT,, I think I would be pretty upset.On old 101 or 682 from days gone buy probably much safer for a beginner than out of the box new IMHO. Just on another note my Ljutic is 2013 probably 50,000 through it now and having huge issues with trigger pin breakage ,why because cannot get the same tensile strength steel pins anymore.!!
 
Beretta warrenty is about the worst in the country

Baikal generally run well but when I needed new springs as routine maintenance they were unobtainable. 1 email to a dealer of Turkish guns and he sent me a spring of similar size and it worked great. The only issues I've heard with Turkish warrenty parts are from khan and kral. Khan made my Tristar and it's up and running now but the insides are from other guns made to fit

Everything is a gamble now adays. Buy from a dealer you trust
 
It takes many years and many products out in the world to establish a track record which can point towards future quality, reliability and support. None of these Turkish guns have been around long enough to establish a reputation, good or bad. And a good reputation isn’t bestowed, it must be earned over time. So you may get a good functional gun, it may even provide excellent service for a long time, but the more demanding that service is in terms of use the shorter the time span will be before failure. Nobody can predict the likelihood of this ahead of time on an untested product from an unproven manufacturer, the current purchasers are the guinea pigs, the test market. These guns and others like them are made cheap to sell cheap, to occupy the bottom of the market and it’s not realistic to expect a $700 over/under to compete with a $2800 over/under in any way except price. If you want cheap, buy cheap. If you want good, buy good. Don’t expect one to be the other. Think 100 years ago when our country was being flooded with cheap hardware store guns, mostly made in Belgium. Other, much more expensive guns were available but a dirt poor immigrant farmer just wanted a cheap tool to put a little variety in the family diet and keep the hen house safe. He wasn’t concerned about 1000’s of rounds, he couldn’t afford them anyway. No different today. If you want cheap, just want to burn up a box or two of ammo per year, maybe one of these modern ‘hardware store’ guns is for you. If you appreciate quality, if you use a gun heavily, if you expect reliability and factory support over years of use maybe you should be looking at a different class of gun.
 
It takes many years and many products out in the world to establish a track record which can point towards future quality, reliability and support. None of these Turkish guns have been around long enough to establish a reputation, good or bad. And a good reputation isn’t bestowed, it must be earned over time. So you may get a good functional gun, it may even provide excellent service for a long time, but the more demanding that service is in terms of use the shorter the time span will be before failure. Nobody can predict the likelihood of this ahead of time on an untested product from an unproven manufacturer, the current purchasers are the guinea pigs, the test market. These guns and others like them are made cheap to sell cheap, to occupy the bottom of the market and it’s not realistic to expect a $700 over/under to compete with a $2800 over/under in any way except price. If you want cheap, buy cheap. If you want good, buy good. Don’t expect one to be the other. Think 100 years ago when our country was being flooded with cheap hardware store guns, mostly made in Belgium. Other, much more expensive guns were available but a dirt poor immigrant farmer just wanted a cheap tool to put a little variety in the family diet and keep the hen house safe. He wasn’t concerned about 1000’s of rounds, he couldn’t afford them anyway. No different today. If you want cheap, just want to burn up a box or two of ammo per year, maybe one of these modern ‘hardware store’ guns is for you. If you appreciate quality, if you use a gun heavily, if you expect reliability and factory support over years of use maybe you should be looking at a different class of gun.

Very well said and good advice!
 
Huglu has been making guns for 100 years or so and became a co-op in 1962. Exporting 4/5th of their production. If they had major flaws in their shotguns it would be alot easier to find negative reviews. Sure all mass production will make a lemon from time to time but I think it's safe to say they've proven them selves reliable over the last 60 years and they keep getting better with state of the art machinery
 
Huglu has been making guns for 100 years or so and became a co-op in 1962. Exporting 4/5th of their production. If they had major flaws in their shotguns it would be alot easier to find negative reviews. Sure all mass production will make a lemon from time to time but I think it's safe to say they've proven them selves reliable over the last 60 years and they keep getting better with state of the art machinery

I don’t know about their last 100 years or their history in the market. I’ve never seen an older Huglu or any 10+ year old Turkish double I’ve never seen a HUGLU review from 20,40,60 years ago nor any modern critiques on 20,40,60 year old HUGLU shotguns. Can you please point me to this information?
 
Took my CD 410 o/u today. The trigger pull is somewhere between 8-10 pounds not too concerned for it because at least it will not accidently discharge am getting used to the feel of the trigger. Gave it a good cleaning and the barrel is matte finish not glossy blued on more expensive firearms - finish is reflective of price point. I like the extractor it saves me from looking and picking up my spent shells. Did get a rabbit with it today. I oiled it all up (removed the chokes) and put it away until next year. I fired exactly 10 rounds with it since I bought it. Not sure how long this will last hopefully 4-5 hundred rounds.....to be continued..
 
I don’t know about their last 100 years or their history in the market. I’ve never seen an older Huglu or any 10+ year old Turkish double I’ve never seen a HUGLU review from 20,40,60 years ago nor any modern critiques on 20,40,60 year old HUGLU shotguns. Can you please point me to this information?

The problem is they built guns for various makers under differing names and sold in other countries outside north America. I only understand English so many of huglus reviews I can't understand. It's really never the good reviews that make headlines it's always negative reviews that do.
It seems as if a professional shooter didn't use it or well known writer market it it never gets known wide spread in the gun community. For example many ppl don't know Beretta made pump shotguns for the sporting market and even knowing trying to find information is difficult
I've spoken to ppl from the area that know of the factory well and have family in the gun trade and it was stated that locally their products are well recieved and I've never found anything to contridict those statements. Even prophet river says they've been extremely successful. I've purchased my 4 from them and know of at least another dozen purchased from Clay and all have been great.
Huglu also makes some very stunning high grade guns that we never see here or even here much of yet in other countries they're quite common
 
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