There really hasn't been an answer to my question, which I would expect, before I answer (I need a month to go over 15yrs of IPSC scores anyway). Anyway neither the Norinco 1911 or the Tanfoglio Witness are on the list for production division but I know both are used. I'm confused.
Hi. IS the S&W MP 9mm suitable for IPSC production?
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Personnaly I would never shoot a MP9 in competition, it would be either a Stock II or a SP01......the MP 9 that we have is because my wife won't it at the last nats and I have been playing around a little with it....
No matter what load I'm shooting it's shooting low and I cannot even find a rear adjustable sight for it....but it does run well with lot's a different load, the mag's does seem flimsly, perhaps the High version (block) would be more solid.
In the mid time I will keep shooting my Open Dwason gun's
No matter what load I'm shooting it's shooting low and I cannot even find a rear adjustable sight for it....but it does run well with lot's a different load, the mag's does seem flimsly, perhaps the High version (block) would be more solid.
In the mid time I will keep shooting my Open Dwason gun's
it wasn't a polymer issue with the base pads, it was poor design, which has been fixed. if you broke any pads you just call S&W and they send you new ones right away.
The M&P is making huge inroads in the USA in IPSC, as well as in Canada. It's a well designed, durable gun and is easy to maintain. it's also cheap as hell. there are plenty of sight options available for it, check out the M&P forum for info on that.
I love my Tanfoglio now that I have the bigger safeties on it, but it's a heavy gun, and some people won't like that.
The M&P is making huge inroads in the USA in IPSC, as well as in Canada. It's a well designed, durable gun and is easy to maintain. it's also cheap as hell. there are plenty of sight options available for it, check out the M&P forum for info on that.
I love my Tanfoglio now that I have the bigger safeties on it, but it's a heavy gun, and some people won't like that.
I bought an MP9 14 months ago, used it for my BB, shot 12 IPSC qualifiers, provincials and nationals in the past year, and have put just over 10,000 rounds downrange, 8000 factory, 2200 reloads. Nothing in the gun has broken yet. I've had less than 20 FTF/FTEs total.
I was disappointed with my original mags (which have been replaced by S&W free of charge and have subsequently had a design change).
see http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=174439
To start with, for the price, if it feels good and works well for you, buy it. Blade-Tech makes a good, inexpensive holster and mag pouch. You can always sell it. You can always buy another one later ... and you will ... and another ... and another ...
I was disappointed with my original mags (which have been replaced by S&W free of charge and have subsequently had a design change).
see http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=174439
To start with, for the price, if it feels good and works well for you, buy it. Blade-Tech makes a good, inexpensive holster and mag pouch. You can always sell it. You can always buy another one later ... and you will ... and another ... and another ...
I cant speak for all norcs, but my norc 1911 gov 9mm had serious issues when I first got it, jammed at least once every 10 rounds. my buddies norc 1911 gov 45acp was doing the same thing if not worse. a few of us at the range were really trying to figure it out, one of the guys lent my friend his colt mag, bamb the problems went away. I ordered two mecgar mags for my 9mm, never had a problem since.
the noc mags are junk imo.
the noc mags are junk imo.
bladerogers
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This ones for Bartldan. I have a Kimber Eclipse Target and a Norinco 1911. You want to know something? They are BOTH great guns, and both see range time. Almost always both come with me to the range. If I get a Failure to feed, I check it in the other, and ALWAYS the same thing! Never is it a fault of the pistol, but the ammo. I shoot 200 gr Semi wad lead, and from time to time I may not fully seat and crimp...and THAT is what causes the Failures. Regarding failures to fire...again ammo. One squib,again ammo fault.
In terms of fit and finish, the kimber is leagues better of course. Much smoother action. After replacing the trigger in the norc though, I actually prefer it's trigger. Accuracy wise, they both shoot better than I do, and honestly, I've shot better targets with the Norc than the Kimber.
You will never see either of these for sale, not while I'm around anyhow!
Sorry for getting off topic a bit guys, but this "norcs are trash" talk is ridiculous already. Like anything else, there are good ones and there are bad. Functionally, fine firearms. Aesthetically, yes, something left to be desired. Nothing some custom work won't take care of!
To each their own of course!
In terms of fit and finish, the kimber is leagues better of course. Much smoother action. After replacing the trigger in the norc though, I actually prefer it's trigger. Accuracy wise, they both shoot better than I do, and honestly, I've shot better targets with the Norc than the Kimber.
You will never see either of these for sale, not while I'm around anyhow!
Sorry for getting off topic a bit guys, but this "norcs are trash" talk is ridiculous already. Like anything else, there are good ones and there are bad. Functionally, fine firearms. Aesthetically, yes, something left to be desired. Nothing some custom work won't take care of!
To each their own of course!
Neither are used in production division (you could probably use an EAA Witness, though..).
A) you are replying to a post I wrote a year ago.
B) If you believe your Nork is as good as your Kimber, than I will happily take that Kimber off your hands for $350. then you can get another Nork, brand new, not all used like that Kimber!
The point is: Kimbers are 99.9% "good ones", and 0.1% "bad ones". Virtually all good. Norks are maybe 60% "good ones".... Why risk buying a lemon? Nevermind durability! My Glock has gone 40,000 (yes forty thousand) rounds with perhaps 10-20 failures of any type... regardless of ammo. Let me know when you have 40,000 rounds through that Nork.
So... stop trying to trick people into buying ####ty guns like you did, OK?
bladerogers
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LOL! Wow, for a post from over a year ago you responded quickly!
Like I said man, to each their own. Granted, I'm only into the norc for about 4-5000 rounds, so perhaps with time issues arise. we'll see. Not trying to convince anyone to buy anything, simply stating my experience with them is all.
Whats your problem with Norinco anyway? I don't recall reading anything about you ever firing one, but of course I could've missed it.
BTW, I'm no "Norc Fan", I am simply a "Canadian gun nut" with an open mind and am more than willing to handle, shoot and test as many different firearms as possible, and post my opinions of each where meritted.
PS - I didn't even bother to look at when you posted, so sorry for the delay
Like I said man, to each their own. Granted, I'm only into the norc for about 4-5000 rounds, so perhaps with time issues arise. we'll see. Not trying to convince anyone to buy anything, simply stating my experience with them is all.
Whats your problem with Norinco anyway? I don't recall reading anything about you ever firing one, but of course I could've missed it.
BTW, I'm no "Norc Fan", I am simply a "Canadian gun nut" with an open mind and am more than willing to handle, shoot and test as many different firearms as possible, and post my opinions of each where meritted.
PS - I didn't even bother to look at when you posted, so sorry for the delay
Blammo
Unless things have changed I doubt youhave seen any 1911's in IPSC Production.
My Norinco 1911 I use in CDP has yet to have a FTF issue. Gun only has about 5,000 rds through it but I am sure it will happen eventually.
Picked up a M&P 9MM a couple of months ago and love it. This will be the gun I use for my BB this spring. Yes Rob I am finally going to get it. Trigger is not like a well tuned 1911 but what is. When the buzzer goes off I really can't say I notice the trigger anyway.
Take care
Bob
Unless things have changed I doubt youhave seen any 1911's in IPSC Production.
My Norinco 1911 I use in CDP has yet to have a FTF issue. Gun only has about 5,000 rds through it but I am sure it will happen eventually.
Picked up a M&P 9MM a couple of months ago and love it. This will be the gun I use for my BB this spring. Yes Rob I am finally going to get it. Trigger is not like a well tuned 1911 but what is. When the buzzer goes off I really can't say I notice the trigger anyway.
Take care
Bob
JohnC
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JohnC
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Agreed but except for the DAO feature they are identical to 1911s.
Anyway I'll also be competing in Production this year with a S&W MP. Put 100 rounds through a .45 version last week and loved it.
Four of us have M&P's and shoot them in IDPA. One of the guys has the .45acp version. Very nice gun. Take out the professionals who likely would win with a club, I still think a widebody 1911 is more competitive in CDP in IDPA due to the trigger and felt recoil reduction of the heavier gun everything else being equal.
The M&P will give the Glocks a good run for their money though. The gun in my view has a much better grip than the Glocks, better pricing and a lower bore axis. All attractive features for both IPSC Production and IDPA SSP/ESP and CDP if using the .45acp variant.
Have you seen any of the .45acp versions up here with the manual safety?
Take Care
Bob
The M&P will give the Glocks a good run for their money though. The gun in my view has a much better grip than the Glocks, better pricing and a lower bore axis. All attractive features for both IPSC Production and IDPA SSP/ESP and CDP if using the .45acp variant.
Have you seen any of the .45acp versions up here with the manual safety?
Take Care
Bob
JohnC
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I put 100 rounds through the manual safety .45ACP version in Florida 10 days ago. Does an awesome job of spreading recoil - for me, much better than the .45 Glock and even the .40 Glock I only had one mag so didn't have the opportunity to see if rapid mag changes would cause the safety to be involuntarily activated. P&D had one that I know of with the manual safety a week ago.
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ahahahahahahahahahahaha, i cant take it, please stop my guts are hurting. No really please stop cause if i laugh any harder im going to puke.I could say soooo much more but i wont as its to hard to type when i still snorting coffee out my nose. Whom ever you are i say THANKS, i really needed a good laugh today.
Smokin Gun
Not sure where the humour is. The NOrinco 1911 was one of the few Bill Wilson would work on to build a fully customized 1911. Still does, check out his website. Steel is outstanding in the Norinco both frames and slides. All forged parts if that matters.
Dlask did mine up by tightening slide, installing Heinie sights, and replacing hammer, sear and trigger. Outstanding gun for CDP in IDPA which is what I got it set up for.
To knock the basic Norinco at it's price point is to know nothing about 1911's. You can pay twice the price or more for a Springfield Mil Copy or more for a Colt mil spec and have no better of a gun.
About the only downside to them is you can't take them to the US to compete.
Take Care
Bob
Not sure where the humour is. The NOrinco 1911 was one of the few Bill Wilson would work on to build a fully customized 1911. Still does, check out his website. Steel is outstanding in the Norinco both frames and slides. All forged parts if that matters.
Dlask did mine up by tightening slide, installing Heinie sights, and replacing hammer, sear and trigger. Outstanding gun for CDP in IDPA which is what I got it set up for.
To knock the basic Norinco at it's price point is to know nothing about 1911's. You can pay twice the price or more for a Springfield Mil Copy or more for a Colt mil spec and have no better of a gun.
About the only downside to them is you can't take them to the US to compete.
Take Care
Bob
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So Bob, how much do you have invested in that Norc 1911?
Joe's Labor, Custom Parts and gun itself?
I think the humor Kelly's referring to is the Open part...
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