How do you hang your steel?
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canadaman30
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4 inch bolts, nuts and a roll of wire.
308TRshooter
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What grade of carriage bolts are you using? Grade 2 and 5 bolts will shear easily. I upgraded to 304 stainless bolts. That was the best option at my local Peavey Mart. I haven't broken one yet.
308TRshooter
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S hooks and conveyor belt rubber work great for hangers.
do not contact the CFO, it is not needed and will only bring you grief, order new steel targets from XMetal in Quebec, set at the their recommended distances and start shooting. Do not use old steel from pits or mines, it's no longer suitable for good targets once they've had their way with them. For taking out into the bush, sure, but for an actual approved range? No.
fingers284
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Sorry , but Im going to have to agree to disagree with you again ( Im still not convinced your target orientation argument holds water ....but I dont have enough primer stock to waist on proving or disproving your testing LOL).
Dimp asked for "regs" to take to his club exec...He's sure not going to get those going to a target manuf that doesnt care how you use them just "buy and get out of here".
Dimp , I believe phone calls are the only effective way to counter-act with a bureaucracy that you are most likely have a disagreement with...E-mails & texts are for amicable exchange, in an argument dirrect meanings and conversation tone doesnt get relayed.
Dimp asked for "regs" to take to his club exec...He's sure not going to get those going to a target manuf that doesnt care how you use them just "buy and get out of here".
Dimp , I believe phone calls are the only effective way to counter-act with a bureaucracy that you are most likely have a disagreement with...E-mails & texts are for amicable exchange, in an argument dirrect meanings and conversation tone doesnt get relayed.
I wish it was that easy, but the Executive Group at the range wants rules presented, then voted on. Also a point of note, the AR400 I'd be getting would be cut-offs of new plate steel, not old used stuff. The 'floor' of a haultruck box is ~25' x 33' so using 5'x10' or 4'x8' plate there is always extra cut offs. Plus they cut out 8" circles from each plate to plug weld it to the bottom of the box
This, unfortunately.
Maybe I'll try to get a hold of the CFO on the phone this week and see what I can learn. Only problem is, again, I need something to "present" to the club which is tough to do based on a phonecall
This is exactly why they were shearing. I have upgraded my bolts and haven’t had it happen again since.
Always a good idea
We use fire hose at our club, I use chain. A previous poster mentioned AR500 mounting strips which sounds interesting. BTW angling & directing a plate to splash into the ground makes more sense than a flatly uncontrolled profile. Also it will save damage to the plate with the impact angle being deflected. Were the Nazi engineers wrong about sloped armor?
coleman1495
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Potentially ignorant question but how exactly do you hang a plate flat? If I attach chains, firehose, conveyor belt etc, it always has to attach on the backside of the plate. By default the plate ends up being angled slightly. Are you calling this a flat presentation or are you attaching the plate in a different fashion?
Thanks for the chain savers recommendation. I have heard the a couple times now.
Here is a link to them if anyone else is looking.
http://steeltargets.ca/Gongs long life.html
On our X-Metal plate racks have the plates mounted on a pivoting system that is protected by another piece of armor and lean against it. our silhouettes are hung from the head via a pin and block system from X-metal and that keeps them vertical/flat in presentation. Dueling trees from X-metal as well and there slight lean just to keep it from falling over but the plates are pretty straight.
download the Range Regs off the CFO website and use that for your proposal. If you don't mind, what club is this for? As you're in BC, if you're down on the coast at all message me and you can come check out our setup.
Thanks for the offer. I was on the coast a few weeks ago for a family's 94th birthday, and thanks to weather and flight delays, I could have come visit with the extra time I was stuck down there lol.
The CFO sent me a 174 page PDF of Shooting Range Regs. I'm going to print it off at work this week, I find it easier to read as a physical copy. But for the most part it seems like everything comes down to "where is the bullet MOST LIKELY to go" and make sure there is something there to catch it. Seems a bunch of angles to read on to ensure ricochets don't leave the range area. Here is the one picture I have hosted online that shows my local range, you can see it has a hillside at the rear (on top of the berms behind each target board), a roughly 10' high berm all down the left side, and an inaccessible area (due to creeks) all down the right side
I bought 5 hanging targets with stands for $65 each from Cabellas. The steel is rated for 300 Win mag at 100yards or so says the info sheet. I plan on using them for pistol only at my range. Regular price was just North of $135 IIRC. I come with five stencils if you want to paint targets on the steel. Beyond that I can't say much about them. They are stacked in my garage eagerly waiting for spring.
Our range specifies 10 yards min distance from steel. US Steel shooting has one stage where a plate is set at 7 yards IIRC. From videos Cowboy Action appears to set some of their steel inside of 7 yards but I would not bet on this being correct. In the absence of local range rules a whole bunch of common sense might be in order by some folks who have little in the way of common sense. I say that because I have witnessed some pretty stupid stuff pulled off by folks who should know better.
Take Care
Bob
Our range specifies 10 yards min distance from steel. US Steel shooting has one stage where a plate is set at 7 yards IIRC. From videos Cowboy Action appears to set some of their steel inside of 7 yards but I would not bet on this being correct. In the absence of local range rules a whole bunch of common sense might be in order by some folks who have little in the way of common sense. I say that because I have witnessed some pretty stupid stuff pulled off by folks who should know better.
Take Care
Bob
I would opt for AR500 or 550 steal and only perfectly flat unpitted surfaces.
I can't find videos on frangible ammo development but, essentially the bullet splash stays consistent with a perfectly vertical mounted target shot at dead on. You can find high speed videos of the direction the bullet splash goes as the lead vaporizes or the slivers of jacket shoot off. 360 degrees parallel to target face, perpendicular to bullet path.
Id say mount swinging targets at an angle but the ultimate rule is to never keep shooting while it is swinging. I set up multiple swingers to rotate through.
My understanding once the metal has craters or dent's that are curved or concave, It is that surface that will redirect the projectiles into a true ricochet.
I dont shoot jacketed ammo at steel anymore, cause even at 15m from a big duelling tree I felt my arms getting lightly peppered, and dont with LSWC.
I can't find videos on frangible ammo development but, essentially the bullet splash stays consistent with a perfectly vertical mounted target shot at dead on. You can find high speed videos of the direction the bullet splash goes as the lead vaporizes or the slivers of jacket shoot off. 360 degrees parallel to target face, perpendicular to bullet path.
Id say mount swinging targets at an angle but the ultimate rule is to never keep shooting while it is swinging. I set up multiple swingers to rotate through.
My understanding once the metal has craters or dent's that are curved or concave, It is that surface that will redirect the projectiles into a true ricochet.
I dont shoot jacketed ammo at steel anymore, cause even at 15m from a big duelling tree I felt my arms getting lightly peppered, and dont with LSWC.
WE hang our steel using heavy belting on a bolt welded onto the back of the plate.
from 200 to 500 we only use one, on our big plate from 600 to 1K we use two bolts.
They originally were hung torqued right up tight, but I have been wanting to loosen them up to see if they ring louder.
The belting can take an unreal number of hits before it needs replacing.
this one is at 500
This is a 3MOA plate at 1,000
Cat
from 200 to 500 we only use one, on our big plate from 600 to 1K we use two bolts.
They originally were hung torqued right up tight, but I have been wanting to loosen them up to see if they ring louder.
The belting can take an unreal number of hits before it needs replacing.
this one is at 500
This is a 3MOA plate at 1,000
Cat
