Is Black Creek Labs a tainted brand on the used market

[easy]

Thankfully, I don’t have any experience with BCL, but I haven’t forgotten NEA. A name change won’t sway me getting sucked in again.
The ones who might, are those who aren’t familiar with their history. The photo above isn’t very encouraging for them either.
When you produce a gun with out of spec parts and pot metal carriers and questions arise if Black Creek Labs are a tainted brand, the answer can only be an undeniable yes, for both, past and present offerings. An improved customer service attempt is no consolation to a ####ty built product.

 

[45C]

My Bison bolt runs without issue , other than the AR mags flopping around a bit.
They feed fine though.
I just need one with a longer barrel

Can you not buy a longer barrel?

 

[pygmalion2020]

I have owned multiple NEA's and BCL's they are junk, the QA is non existent. NEA Never Ever Again, BCL Brittle Carrier Labs

 

[FatCatsDad]

Can you not buy a longer barrel?

Suppose I could, but it would be goofy looking

 

[beltfed]

My Bison bolt runs without issue , other than the AR mags flopping around a bit.
They feed fine though.
I just need one with a longer barrel

Ditch the AR mags and use the proprietary Bison mags. They are excellent and decently priced at ~35$ each.

 

[45C]

Suppose I could, but it would be goofy looking

I think your already at goofy looking… lol

Maybe you could wrap a strip of electrical tape around the mag? It might work

 

[fritzhanzel]

Ditch the AR mags and use the proprietary Bison mags. They are excellent and decently priced at ~35$ each.

I may just buy some of those mags, 3 D print some SL8 magwells and dremel them out to accept the BCL 20 rounders, oops, did I just say that?

 

[DT741]

I bought NEA products in the past as a new gun owner, thinking "yeah let’s buy canadian!"

NEVER AGAIN !

 

[josh1976]

Guys saying complaints are coming from people who have never owned BCL have their head straight up their azz. You sound like little kids "but my 102 works fine...."

 

[nick237]

They aren’t great save your dollars for better options

 

[FatCatsDad]

More hate for BCL than Dodge RAM's, I own both and both are running fine.

 

[FatCatsDad]

Ditch the AR mags and use the proprietary Bison mags. They are excellent and decently priced at ~35$ each.

Ordered 2, very fast service, they were in the mail the next day

 

[pirate604]

I had sold a CQ-A to buy a NEA AR when they came out. Big mistake, I dumped that NEA and when crawling back to a Nork. Never had any issues with any CQ-A's but that NEA could not get through a single mag with out stoppages. It was about as useful as a football bat.

 

[lerch641]

I had sold a CQ-A to buy a NEA AR when they came out. Big mistake, I dumped that NEA and when crawling back to a Nork. Never had any issues with any CQ-A's but that NEA could not get through a single mag with out stoppages. It was about as useful as a football bat.

If I had a nickle for everyone I've heard that preferred their Norinco CQA to an NEA/BCL rifle, well I'd 2 nickles! Which isn't alot, but it's more than 1

 

[Slug870]

I bought NEA products in the past as a new gun owner, thinking "yeah let’s buy canadian!"

NEVER AGAIN !

This... exactly.

 

[pirate604]

If I had a nickle for everyone I've heard that preferred their Norinco CQA to an NEA/BCL rifle, well I'd 2 nickles! Which isn't alot, but it's more than 1

I sincerely doubt that you have only heard of two people that have preferred the CQ-A over the NEA. Lots of folks on here talk sh1t about the NEA ARs, and while lots of people talks sh1t about Norinco, it is rarely about the CQ-A.

 

[Anomaly]

BCL's consistency is all over the place, which is why you get people here who own some and never have problems and others that have major issues. When you buy a BCL product, there's a higher chance of a lemon vs the larger more established manufacturers.

As for a Bison, I think they're a pretty niche market...particularly in 223. The quoted (by BCL) accuracy of 1.2 MOA isn't particularly great either.

 

[FatCatsDad]

The quoted (by BCL) accuracy of 1.2 MOA isn't particularly great either.

The Coyotes wish it was worse.

Not every gun is a 1000 yard target gun.

 

[Anomaly]

The Coyotes wish it was worse.

Not every gun is a 1000 yard target gun.

maybe it's a bit nit picky, but a $700 Howa mini action in 223 with a super cheesy plastic stock is guaranteed 3 shot sub MOA by the manufacturer. The Savage Axis's I've seen are generally MOA or better. For a >$1000 rifle in a chassis I would sort of expect you can match an Axis or Howa Mini?

 

[beltfed]

maybe it's a bit nit picky, but a $700 Howa mini action in 223 with a super cheesy plastic stock is guaranteed 3 shot sub MOA by the manufacturer. The Savage Axis's I've seen are generally MOA or better. For a >$1000 rifle in a chassis I would sort of expect you can match an Axis or Howa Mini?

If you only count 3 shots, the Bison is easily its equal with decent ammo.

The problem is that 3 rounds doesn't tell the whole story as it really only shows MPI
5 rounds is better, but 10 round groups is the gold standard, imho.

Are the guys shooting their Howas and Ruger Americans shooting 3 round groups and claiming "It's sub-moa all day if I do my part"?
I don't know for sure, but that sh!t is white noise to me - I've seen enough of those guys show up on the firing line in competitions only to sh!t the proverbial bed when it matters.

Anyone that thinks 3 round groups tell a story worth telling are just fooling themselves into thinking how good they and their rifle are.