IF a new Grizzly hunt, what gun

medvedqc said:
ah ah i ve met 2 times a crazy full throttle bear when calling ... i learnt to be ready because of that ...
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Nice but hair raising.
A small hill in a cutblock that disappears into heavy forest by a creek is my favourite spring calling spots. Good 100 yard plus visibility gives you options. Calling in tight spots doesn’t. And the sound doesn’t travel either. They usually expose themselves pretty good getting downwind. A bear coming full throttle into a noise is a nightmare. Especially when your hiking in the dark.
 
Buckmastr said:
Nice but hair raising.
A small hill in a cutblock that disappears into heavy forest by a creek is my favourite spring calling spots. Good 100 yard plus visibility gives you options. Calling in tight spots doesn’t. And the sound doesn’t travel either. They usually expose themselves pretty good getting downwind. A bear coming full throttle into a noise is a nightmare. Especially when your hiking in the dark.
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your high spot is what i like as well. a bear that have food source around will be reluctant to come for the food but may for curiosity only.
 
DGY said:
So what about you answer your own question so we know you have seen it all and lived to tell us?
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Hasn't that been done enough in previous posts? All you have to do is read...
And if you think think it's about about seeing it all... you must have me confused with someone else?

R.
 
Rman said:
A serious question... for all of the fellers that are all hung up about the 100 yard thing. How many have seen an aggressive grizzly bear at that distance, on foot, on the trail/in the bush. Not minding it's own business, aggressive.
How many again have seen it close that distance to less than 20 yards before it turned off? How many had time to "get ready"
Are you thinking that these are taking place in wide open fields, where even 100 yards of visibility is possible? Are you always seeing and identifying the bear that far away?

Just asking... because a lot of this isn't lining up with reality. Location, activity, and time of year, dependent, of course.

Or... are you thinking that a 100 yard bear... sitting on its azz eating dandelions is about to get popped? Because it's there?

R.
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Utterly never, in hundreds of encounters. Frankly the terrain where you see them at 100 yards is purely sheep / goat / caribou country or rivers, anywhere else in BC you’re lucky to see them beyond 30. Until this thread I’d have thought it impossible to consider a grizzly 300 feet away as a threat. I’m more concerned about distracted drivers day to day than a grizz at 300 feet doing bear things.
 
Ardent said:
Utterly never, in hundreds of encounters. Frankly the terrain where you see them at 100 yards is purely sheep / goat / caribou country or rivers, anywhere else in BC you’re lucky to see them beyond 30. Until this thread I’d have thought it impossible to consider a grizzly 300 feet away as a threat. I’m more concerned about distracted drivers day to day than a grizz at 300 feet doing bear things.
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Plenty of cutblocks, meadows, pipelines, leases where a bear can pop out and charge you. I would guess that the g bear population in southern Alberta is as dense as anywhere in Canada. But that’s just a guess.
 
JIMMY 808 said:
I don’t recall any news of a grizzly shot in self defense where the courts determined it wasn’t warranted?
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No neither do I. But there have been a few people killed by grizzlies who either were not prepared to deal with the animal or possibly caught in this is only a bluff mentality.
 
Rman said:
They do a fairly detailed investigation, all CSI like, and make a determination based on the evidence at the scene.
True story...

R.
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Completely unrelated, but Lawyer, former Prosecutor, told me that 90% of guys in Jail are there because they couldn't keep their mouths shut.
 
MiG25 said:
Completely unrelated, but Lawyer, former Prosecutor, told me that 90% of guys in Jail are there because they couldn't keep their mouths shut.
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Totally related... a sitting Premier once advised to Shoot, Shovel, and Shut Up...
For those still with us on the theme of the original thread... he did not suggest a suitable cartridge choice.

R.
 
MiG25 said:
How would the Game Warden know how far away the bear was?
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our friend that did a dlp in the yukon had to provide evidences and took pictures of the scene just in case where were he was where the sow was and as he shot her after the third charges when she came for him it was easy. he used a simple 30-06 and used one shot with a 2.5-10x40 scope. of course he had to surrender the skin before gave back to him.

of course they went later to the scene for their own investigation.
 
Interesting enough I know a few cases where people have been charged with shooting grizzlies when not deemed in self defense. Last was in the recent past, while the news outlets don’t give much specifics on the last case, you would have to know the fellow or have attended the court case to know but it was shot out of fear. Other cases I know about were decades ago and they received tickets for shooting the bear out of season and small punitive fines. Also deemed not self defense. As someone asked “how would they know” well if you have to lie is it really self defense?

To the question about a bear being aggressive at 100 yards, I can remember one. It was protecting an elk kill, it didn’t get inside 50 yards but it was engaging us to a degree. Most of my “encounters” have been well inside 100 yards. They were surprised.

I don’t know of any hunter being mailed or killed where he made the call to not shoot, for what ever reason, bluff charge etc. in almost all instances with bear encounters the people surprise the bear, it reacts and you don’t have time to do the same.

As for being on topic (when are we ever lol) what I have hunted grizzlies with is different than what I would choose to protect myself.
 
Southcountryguy said:
Interesting enough I know a few cases where people have been charged with shooting grizzlies when not deemed in self defense. Last was in the recent past, while the news outlets don’t give much specifics on the last case, you would have to know the fellow or have attended the court case to know but it was shot out of fear. Other cases I know about were decades ago and they received tickets for shooting the bear out of season and small punitive fines. Also deemed not self defense. As someone asked “how would they know” well if you have to lie is it really self defense?

To the question about a bear being aggressive at 100 yards, I can remember one. It was protecting an elk kill, it didn’t get inside 50 yards but it was engaging us to a degree. Most of my “encounters” have been well inside 100 yards. They were surprised.

I don’t know of any hunter being mailed or killed where he made the call to not shoot, for what ever reason, bluff charge etc. in almost all instances with bear encounters the people surprise the bear, it reacts and you don’t have time to do the same.

As for being on topic (when are we ever lol) what I have hunted grizzlies with is different than what I would choose to protect myself.
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Well that makes sense , You never heard . Maybe he is dead ..lol ..AND you weren't there . Right
 
Southcountryguy said:
Interesting enough I know a few cases where people have been charged with shooting grizzlies when not deemed in self defense. Last was in the recent past, while the news outlets don’t give much specifics on the last case, you would have to know the fellow or have attended the court case to know but it was shot out of fear. Other cases I know about were decades ago and they received tickets for shooting the bear out of season and small punitive fines. Also deemed not self defense. As someone asked “how would they know” well if you have to lie is it really self defense?

To the question about a bear being aggressive at 100 yards, I can remember one. It was protecting an elk kill, it didn’t get inside 50 yards but it was engaging us to a degree. Most of my “encounters” have been well inside 100 yards. They were surprised.

I don’t know of any hunter being mailed or killed where he made the call to not shoot, for what ever reason, bluff charge etc. in almost all instances with bear encounters the people surprise the bear, it reacts and you don’t have time to do the same.

As for being on topic (when are we ever lol) what I have hunted grizzlies with is different than what I would choose to protect myself.
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Is that the guy that dumped the collar and buried them instead of reporting it?
 
Spruster said:
Well that makes sense , You never heard . Maybe he is dead ..lol ..AND you weren't there . Right
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There are lots of occasions where grizzly attacks have happened where people survived and/or where with a person survived to account for the events that occurred. Never, ever heard of one where they questioned their choice on self defense and got mauled. While it is possible there are folks that can’t speak because they are dead it is pretty silly to think a person didn’t defend themselves if they had a chance, isn’t it? Point is a 100 yards a bear is not dangerous, at THAT moment. Self defense is based on the assumption it’s your last resort in a life or death situation.
 
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