IF a new Grizzly hunt, what gun

Gatehouse said:
No contradiction. I said a long timre ago that a bear at 100 yards can't bite you



Yes. A bear at 100 yards is no danger to you.
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Where was it ever said that it could?
This is what was said: "stopping a charge starts at 100 yards"
And you did exactly did this... by your own account... at 125 yards.

Except in your case, the bear only sauntered up to 25 yards... Not sure if that makes it better, or worse. So, you "stopped your bear saunter starting at 125 yards" because it's at that distance you identified the threat, and began to get ready. Those are your words you used to described your situation. And if you didn't feel you were in danger, then why did you react the way that you did?

But there is no contradiction?

And gotta add... this whole bear at 100 yard is no danger thing. You're right. As long as it stays there, It's always going to stay right there. Right? You saw it as a danger at 125 yards. It's why you reacted the way you did. Chuck as well. Most people would, Is the expectation to stare at it with your hands in your pockets, because it's not a threat? And it can't bite you because it 100 yards away? It's just silly talk. You own story proved different. So did Chucks. Again, obviously, if it's eating dandelions, it's going to get treated that way... these ones obviously weren't.

R.
 
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Rman said:
You couldn't be more more wrong if you tried, but you'll keep trying. And keep looking silly. No one wins on these things. That's the real problem.
You need to work on your reading comprehension, and then figure out how a forum works... you have the follow part down pretty good....

R.
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Huh, gut tells me different and I am still walking this planet after many encounters.

Forums work by those with the better writing skills and time win. Proven.

Enjoy your night.
 
Spruster said:
Insults , again . please sleep it off...you have no clue
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The reason I mentioned static IP checks was often those banned before have side stepped the ban by changing something to get around. Those aggressive in nature, like you, have been often banned before. I am unsure of which format this forum uses.
 
Rman said:
Where was it ever said that it could?
This is what was said: "stopping a charge starts at 100 yards"
And you did exactly did this... by your own account... at 125 yards.

Except in your case, the bear only sauntered up to 25 yards... Not sure if that makes it better, or worse. So, you "stopped your bear saunter starting at 125 yards" because it's at that distance you identified the threat, and began to get ready. Those are your words you used to described your situation. And if you didn't feel you were in danger, then why did you react the way that you did?

But there is no contradiction?

And gotta add... this whole bear at 100 yard is no danger thing. You're right. As long as it stays there, It's always going to stay right there. Right? You saw it as a danger at 125 yards. It's why you reacted the way you did. Chuck as well. Most people would, Is the expectation to stare at it with your hands in your pockets, because it's not a threat? And it can't bite you because it 100 yards away? It's just silly talk. You own story proved different. So did Chucks. Again, obviously, if it's eating dandelions, it's going to get treated that way... these ones obviously weren't.

R.
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Ha

Like I said- it's pretty simple stuff. If you are shooting at a bear from 100 yards away you are shooting at a bear that can't bite you, so you are shooting due to fear, not to protect yourself.
 
Most people want to deal with a charging bear at a range where it can’t bite you. Gatehouse et al are pretending to be bear handlers not hunters. Impressive!
 
Gatehouse said:
Ha

Like I said- it's pretty simple stuff. If you are shooting at a bear from 100 yards away you are shooting at a bear that can't bite you, so you are shooting due to fear, not to protect yourself.
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You know... It is really simple stuff. I don't know where I ever said that was I shooting bears from 100 yards away...

It's going to be spring time soon. The bears are going to be waking up. As soon as the snow melts enough, lots of fence to go check on and fix.
Then it really won't matter how far away the bear is.
And fear still won't have anything to do with it.
Simple enough?

R.
 
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Gatehouse said:
Last somewhat “negative” grizzly encounter I had was about 2KM from my home, when I was on a deer hunt. It took only a few moments,it was not drawn out.

Started about 125 yards away. Bear saw me but didn’t smell me due to the wind. He was a younger bear, and just like many teenagers he was looking for trouble. He came at me in a trot, not full out charge as I think he still didn’t know what I was. I yelled and stuff but he kept coming so I got ready.

Dropped to my knee, safety off and finger on the trigger. Made a decision if he crossed that ditch about 25-30yatfs from me amd didn’t slow his pace he was going to get shot. He came up from the ditch, finger started to squeeze but felt a puff of wind on the back of my very clammy neck. Grizz stopped, stood up (that means he’s trying to smell/identify you. Not about to go boxing with you)

He winded me, changed his mind and departed. At no time did I feel in danger at 100 yards.

Last negative encounter with a black bear was a big, mature boar. Started at 7ft, ended with the muzzle of my gun jammed into him as I pulled the trigger. He is no longer with us. :)

7ft away a bear is a danger to you. 100 yards? Not so much. But everyone should go with thier own ability, experience and confidence.
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Was that the Bear that you Poached? I remember that story disappeared in a hurry. Did you ever report it to the Game Warden as the Wildlife Act requires?
 
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Ardent said:
Where are all these Albertan grizz run ins on fence lines occurring?
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The Prairies meet the mountains here. Literally. National Parks have fence line boundaries. Hell, Glacier National Park borders Alberta with a fence line. This is cattle country. Grizzlies eat cows. My Grandfather hated Grizzlies. Wolves more. His brother was probably harder on both species of bear than any other human that has lived on this planet. I’m not kidding about that. Most of it with a Pre 64 Model 70 chambered in 270 Winchester. My father was hired by the federal government (yes the federal government) to track down and kill a grizzly that mauled someone in the 60’s.

Sentiment towards them has improved. But they are everywhere. I’ve bumped into Grizzlies my entire life. They were thick when they were being controlled. They are so much thicker now. That’s why I laugh when people say that you have a better chance of being struck by lightning than being attacked by a bear. Everyone on this planet gets rained on.

Not only are they here. They are big. One was trapped literally where I can see from the house I grew up in. Biologists weighed it at over 1000 lbs. our neighbours had a 1500 lb bull killed by one a couple of years ago. That bear made extremely short work of him. They are no joke.
 
Ardent said:
Where are all these Albertan grizz run ins on fence lines occurring?
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Not sure if this is sarcasm, and you will likely ignore my response, but likely in the areas east of waterton/crows nest pass/ around pincher creek. Pretty high density of grizz and lots of ranch land

Also in K country and the surrounding agricultural land. I think 2 guys? (At least one) were killed by grizzlies in the last couple years in the ghost wilderness which is mixed use rangeland/forest just outside of Cochrane.

Lots of equivalent range/ mixed forest habitat in central BC too, and I’m sure you’re familiar with that.

Not to mention other areas Grizzlies can be seen further away than 30 yards; including the highest density of bears I’ve seen outside of the NW coast ; the massive clear cuts in the black water area west of Quesnel. Meadow habitat north east of Fort St James (the trench/fort ware area) , even in the skeg in the easy country.

Bunch of grizzlies and good lines of sight in the barrens…



As for shooting these 100 yard bears; we’re on the same side on that one…
 
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The cancellation of the Grizzly hunt is just another example of the complete disregard the Govt has for people.
 
medvedqc said:
how many grizzly where hunted before the ban and how many applied for those draws?
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I'm barely middle aged and I remember when Grizzly tags were OTC. They started choking off the tags about 30 years ago, now the last 10 or so Grizzlies are a real problem. What the hunt did was that the least wary Bears in the most accessable areas were taken, now these Bears are a problem and increasing as Grizzlies are prolific no matter what is claimed, when was the last time you saw an Elk or Moose with 3-4 calves in tow, even given that Bears don't reproduce every year they're still more prolific than the larger ungulates.
 
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