Grizzlies are completely incompatible with intensive human use, and by that I mean houses and agriculture, and frankly, anyone that says otherwise is full of sh*t..
I agree . RJ
I agree . RJ
IF a new Grizzly hunt, what gun
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Exactly. It's true that humans are generally not great at evaluating risk - We've literally evolved to pay attention to things that are shocking and right in front of our faces. It makes it hard to care more about traffic patterns and diet than we do about bear attacks and school shootings.
Relative risk is hard math at the best of times.
It's rarely an apples-to-apples comparison: Is risk from vehicle traffic measured in number of injuries per 1000km driven? Or per number of hours spent in traffic? How about the nature of the injury? Or should it be fatality rate? Am I less safe driving around in the country than I am in the city? I'm less likely to get in a collision because there are fewer cars, but more likely to die if I do because the hospital is farther away. And that's all just about the vehicle injury issue, let alone comparing to another risk category...
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Just like you spend way more time in your car (or helicopter) than you do around grizzlies most Canadians live in areas with a percentage of land privately held far higher than 11.
Statistics are fun but both sides throwing out numbers in this thread are guilty of selection bias and a whole buffet of other logical fallacies
Remember when we talked about guns on here?
Statistics are fun but both sides throwing out numbers in this thread are guilty of selection bias and a whole buffet of other logical fallacies
Remember when we talked about guns on here?
Yes, the original owner also hand loaded his own cartridges for that rifle. I have in my position some very old reloading equipment, along with a full box of Nosler 160 gr. Partitions, which he may have used on those bears.
My Grandfather had an early Weatherby 7mm, also built on an FN action, I've got a letter around here from Roy Weatherby saying he sent 4 boxes of 139gr ammo to such and such Train Station for him to pick up, and a copy of Tomorrow's Rifles Today (or whatever Weatherby's catelogue was called).
WOW, that's amazing how we can go back in time with such artifacts. I loaded-up 130 grain bullets to see it shot well, well it did, beyond our expectations, .650" groups at top velocities. It will be well worth it to have the rifle restored next to new, with a few added touches. Do you have you're grandfathers rifle?.....it would also be great for grizzlies.
I think you did well, but I stopped doing "warning shots" decades ago. I don't think the bears know what it is and you have one less round in your gun and the potential to jam it (unlikely as it may be ) But I have seen liots of people jam a bolt gun. I like to say "you can only put one round in the chamber at a time!
The splash likely dissuaded them more than the noise- bears don't really understand noise lime we do. But you got home safe and the bears are all okay! Well done!
Bro he shoots crf they never jam!
On topic I'd use a 9.3x62.
There are grizzlies in leduc County if anyone thinks they're only in the mountains.
James Gary Sheldon wrote three books on bear attacks.
I read all three and well worth the effort.
Quite the story of the two chaps that went hunting up the Ashnola Valley Hills.
I do believe it was there.
One of the chaps wife was pregnant.
The story hurts the heart.
I don't think the the Creed is bigg'nuff for such a task with nervous jitters.
I read all three and well worth the effort.
Quite the story of the two chaps that went hunting up the Ashnola Valley Hills.
I do believe it was there.
One of the chaps wife was pregnant.
The story hurts the heart.
I don't think the the Creed is bigg'nuff for such a task with nervous jitters.
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
What’s considered “best” in this question. Fastest kills, consistently? .300s. Less meat damage and most penetration without losing sight of the bears for long after the hit? .375s.
All died, results based on time til down. They die no differently than black bears aside from just generally being bigger, and reacting far more aggressively to being wounded, anatomically there is no difference however in how they die. The same placement and cartridges kill them quick as do big black bears, they’re made of the same meat and bones, and only their attitude differs. The smallest I’d say sure let’s hunt to would be a .270, the one I’d say use one of mine instead to most readily would be the .45-70 or .450 Marlin.
Best choices from what I saw,
.300 Magnums (the most common choice), with impacts above 2400fps.
7 Mag, very close second, the last grizzly I guided was taken by a member’s son with one.
.375 Magnums third (the second most common), very effective but bears had a short death sprint left in them. Never saw a .375 Ultra work, it likely would be the ultimate but nobody wants to shoot it in a rifle you can carry for ten days.
Worst choices from what I saw, resulting in 100-200 yard death strolls though still undeniably lethal,
7x57 175gr
.450 Marlin
All died, results based on time til down. They die no differently than black bears aside from just generally being bigger, and reacting far more aggressively to being wounded, anatomically there is no difference however in how they die. The same placement and cartridges kill them quick as do big black bears, they’re made of the same meat and bones, and only their attitude differs. The smallest I’d say sure let’s hunt to would be a .270, the one I’d say use one of mine instead to most readily would be the .45-70 or .450 Marlin.
Best choices from what I saw,
.300 Magnums (the most common choice), with impacts above 2400fps.
7 Mag, very close second, the last grizzly I guided was taken by a member’s son with one.
.375 Magnums third (the second most common), very effective but bears had a short death sprint left in them. Never saw a .375 Ultra work, it likely would be the ultimate but nobody wants to shoot it in a rifle you can carry for ten days.
Worst choices from what I saw, resulting in 100-200 yard death strolls though still undeniably lethal,
7x57 175gr
.450 Marlin
Ardent was in the business of Hunting Grizzlies before the Govt gave him, and many others, a swift kick in the nuts to appease the Urban Mindless.
I shot a Grizzly at 13 yards with a 303 British, it ran ~60 yards. To put the 100 yard DLP in perspective.
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Feels a bit like the guy you just saw sniff his fingers ask to use your phone at this point.
