22 pressure?

A very good point, these are all parts of the pressure question.

The "easy" way for you would seem to be to stick with lubed LRN projectiles, 40gr and under, at an advertised 1050fps and under. If you want more detail about the lowest pressure, then yes it seems like you'll have to dive into projectile hardness - And good luck finding that data!

You might dig up some useful info by contacting one or more of the more reputable 22LR ammunition manufacturers to ask about their recommendations for your situation.
 
It's doubtful the actual pressure of different varieties of .22 ammo is published by the manufacturers. What is known is that SAAMI and CIP, which set regulations for firearm and ammunition makers, have maximum average pressures for each caliber.

For .22LR, the maximum average is 24,000 PSI for SAAMI (1700 BAR or 24656 PSI for CIP). It seems it's the maximum allowed whether the ammo is the hyper velocity CCI Stinger or not. The SAAMI maximum average pressure for .22 Short, which typically uses a 29 grain bullet that has a MV of about 1045 fps, is 21,000 PSI.

In general, it's reasonable to expect that slower .22LR ammo generates less pressure. If there is any concern about a firearm's safe pressure limits and it nevertheless remains necessary to shoot it, the .22LR ammo that would create the least pressure would have to be the slowest. Such ammo would include CCI Quiet, which has a MV of about 700 fps. By comparison, standard velocity .22LR 40 grain ammo has MVs around 1050 - 1080 fps, while high velocity 40 grain ammo is often in the mid 1200 fps range.
 
Common sense would suggest that slower velocity ammo produced from lower pressure loadings - is almost an axiom when hand loading centre fire rifle. But when one can swap out components, is no longer true. Using Lyman Shotshell Reloading Handbook - 5th Edition - page 211 - look at 3/4 ounce Field Loads for 2 3/4" 28 gauge. SAAMI Maximum Average Pressure (MAP) given as 12,500 psi for 2 3/4" 28 gauge. The table shows same hull, same wad, same primer - the load shown with Universal powder gets 1194 fps at 11,200 psi (89.6% of SAAMI MAP). The load shown with Blue Dot gets 1260 fps (faster) with 8,900 psi (lower pressure)(71.2% of SAAMI MAP). Other examples in those tables show about same velocity for same pressure. And some show higher velocity with higher pressure. I presume if that can be done with shotgun, that it can also be done with rimfire?
 
With some more reading on Internet - maybe the thing is related to the hardness of the bullet used. There is a "magic" relationship of about 1422 between Brinell Hardness and chamber pressure to be used. So, apparently not many have ever found out what actual pressures that manufacturers load their .22 up to - is known what SAAMI sets for Maximum - but appears few get close to that without very hard bullets. Apparently. So 40/1 lead/tin or similar going to be Brinell Hardness about 7 (?) - multiply by magic 1422 and you get roughly 10,000 PSI as the chamber pressure for that hardness of bullet. Note, is no reference to the VELOCITY of it - is about the PRESSURE generated by the loading. If one uses "soft" lead bullets, going to have lower pressures that are usable, versus "hard" lead bullets. I think. Coatings, jacketing, alloys with antinomy all work to make the bullet harder - to allow more velocity - which likely means more breech pressure. But I still can not find anything definitive about that - is all written as "should be"; "likely is" and so on.

That 1422 number is discussed in Chapter 10 of "Modern Reloading - Second Edition" by Richard Lee, for those that care to read up on how that number is derived - or at least Richard Lee's version of that.

So, I guess I am still looking to find out what is the lower, or lowest PRESSURE loadings available for modern .22 Long Rifle.

The manufacturers of .22 ammo are all using pretty soft alloys for their bullets, it runs through the swaging machinery a lot easier than harder alloys do.
I would suggest, based on many years of gouging .22 bullets with my thumbnail, that you are not going to find a lot of variation... Mostly just pure lead, as they have no worries about mold fill out. That is a Casting problem, rather than a swaging one.

On the main, I would take it on faith, that a higher velocity, equals a higher pressure load. In the case of some of the 'performance' ammo, like the CCI Stingers, they both upped the load (and used a longer case to hold it), and reduced the weight of the bullet, to get the performance.

As far as Standard velocity ammo, pretty much anything with a36-40 grain bullet, and 1100-ish or less fps, is where you want to be looking. Like I said before, I do like the CCI Quiets (40gn/800-ish fps), as they ARE quiet, and they have served me well doing pest management within normal earshot of golfers and other folks here on the place. From a longer barrel, they are VERY low noise,and what noise they do make, doesn't sound like a shot, really.

If your guns turn out to be decent condition, and not looking like they have been dragged over the Great Divide behind an ox, my opinion is that they will be fine on about any .22 ammo, if only for the short term. You reduce the wear and tear, in the long term, by sticking to the so called Standard Velocity ammo. Unless the guns are in REALLY disreputable condition, what you are dealing with , by using modern High Velocity ammo, is accelerated wear, rather than catastrophic failure potential.

Try not to read too much in to what happens with reloading info. The manufacturers do not use the same powders as are available as reloading supplies, generally. You can pretty much count on, that the loads are mostly reduced to get the lower velocities, and that they will be well below the max allowed pressures.
I would be quite surprised, actually, if I were to find out that any manufacturer of .22 ammo, actually used a separate type of powder, from product line to product line!
 
Rimfire bullets for .22LR are not pure lead because it's too soft. Bullets for .22LR are hardened, usually with antimony at levels of 0.75 to 2 %, with amounts usually from 1.3% to 1.75%, depending on the manufacturer.
 
Rimfire bullets for .22LR are not pure lead because it's too soft. Bullets for .22LR are hardened, usually with antimony at levels of 0.75 to 2 %, with amounts usually from 1.3% to 1.75%, depending on the manufacturer.

I'll take it on faith that you are correct.

Thumbnail, over the years, says they are pretty darn soft, and that makes more sense than to use tin.
 
The saga continues - is much neglect within those bores!!! Maybe not really surprising given their age. I tapped out the retaining pin in the breech block on the Favourite - firing pin came out in two pieces - is supposed to be a one piece thing - so a replacement is ordered - the firing pin pieces that came out show evidence it is a home made thing - not an original part.

And, after trek today into nearest city, I found 1,040 fps and 710 fps 40 grain Lead Round Nose ammo in Long Rifle - so is what I suspect that I will try with them - when snow goes away enough to get to shooting spot. These were never made as high end precision target guns - likely both were made cheap for boys to use - and they are what they are after 100 years of getting or not getting any maintenance.
 
An Update - yesterday I received the replacement "reproduction" firing pin for the Stevens Favourite 1915. Took a bit of fussing to reduce diameter of that "pin" to fit through the breech block firing pin hole - but it flops back and forth freely now - was no return spring to it - I think is called a "floating" firing pin. Took a drive up a local back road and fired them into the snow filled ditch - the Stevens Favourite went five "shots" for 5 trigger pulls. The Deutsche Werke was getting 50% miss-fire - "clicks" - but always fired when I re-cocked it. I discovered is about the trigger pull - a fine, careful pull, to stop trigger motion as it releases, created those mis-fires - a firm - "go all the way on one pull" had no mis fires - so total of perhaps 25 rounds fired of CCI Quiet Long Rifle with 40 grain Round Nose bullets. As near as I can determine so far, the Stevens was made between 1915 and 1920, and the Deutsche Werke was made prior to 1939.
 
The DW 22 I have one and never thought of what ammo to use and just used 22LR and used it at work for a couple weeks then too it home and used something else. Mine has a Rubberish medallion on the stock . My Stevens are all 25s so never have shot them yet.
 
An Update - yesterday I received the replacement "reproduction" firing pin for the Stevens Favourite 1915. Took a bit of fussing to reduce diameter of that "pin" to fit through the breech block firing pin hole - but it flops back and forth freely now - was no return spring to it - I think is called a "floating" firing pin. Took a drive up a local back road and fired them into the snow filled ditch - the Stevens Favourite went five "shots" for 5 trigger pulls. The Deutsche Werke was getting 50% miss-fire - "clicks" - but always fired when I re-cocked it. I discovered is about the trigger pull - a fine, careful pull, to stop trigger motion as it releases, created those mis-fires - a firm - "go all the way on one pull" had no mis fires - so total of perhaps 25 rounds fired of CCI Quiet Long Rifle with 40 grain Round Nose bullets. As near as I can determine so far, the Stevens was made between 1915 and 1920, and the Deutsche Werke was made prior to 1939.

I have shot numerous vintage rimfire rifles , starting with .22 shorts for any
rifle which I had concerns with then progressing up to standard .22lr.

Many of the old rimfires were chambered in several calibres .22 , .25 , .32 rf
the .22 short contained 4gr powder , the .25 Stevens contained 10gr both of these
were available in Stevens , Remington & Winchester actions .

The advent of Smokeless Powder and used in high velocity .22 lr basically leveled the
playing field , with production costs lower to produce the .22 calibre by the 1930's
the other calibres were becoming obsolete .
... skwerl
 
I have shot numerous vintage rimfire rifles , starting with .22 shorts for any
rifle which I had concerns with then progressing up to standard .22lr.

Many of the old rimfires were chambered in several calibres .22 , .25 , .32 rf
the .22 short contained 4gr powder , the .25 Stevens contained 10gr both of these
were available in Stevens , Remington & Winchester actions .

The advent of Smokeless Powder and used in high velocity .22 lr basically leveled the
playing field , with production costs lower to produce the .22 calibre by the 1930's
the other calibres were becoming obsolete .
... skwerl

Worth keeping in mind, is that the pressure is acting on a larger area on the base of the .25, and .32 cartridges, so the net pressure on the hardware, may not have changed as much as the weight of the charge did.

Lots of complicated math to get the real numbers, but as a matter of faith, I take it to mean that the pressures across the board, were pretty similar! Unlike, say, when they chambered the Model 44 in 32-40 (briefly!).
 
Worth keeping in mind, is that the pressure is acting on a larger area on the base of the .25, and .32 cartridges, so the net pressure on the hardware, may not have changed as much as the weight of the charge did.

Lots of complicated math to get the real numbers, but as a matter of faith, I take it to mean that the pressures across the board, were pretty similar! Unlike, say, when they chambered the Model 44 in 32-40 (briefly!).

I think that you might be correct about "complicated math" - turns out a couple more Stevens Favourites likely to show up here this coming week - both were originally chambered in 25 Stevens, but have had Redman Liners installed and now are chambered for 22 Long Rifle.

So, playing with information from various Wikipedia articles - looks like 25 Stevens originally had a .251" diameter bullet - various 22 Long Rifle today apparently have .223" to .2255" diameter bullets - so perhaps the elder Stevens had about 0.0494 square inches of base exposed to pressure - 22 Long Rifle would be between 0.0390 and 0.0399 square inches - meaning the 22 LR has 78.9% to 80.8% of the area of that 25 Stevens. But original bullets in that 25 Stevens were 67 or 65 grain - so 162% to 167% of the weight of bullet compared to a modern 40 grain 22 Long rifle. I am kind of stopped there - do not have enough math to do more than that - still not certain if the breech pressure in a 25 Stevens was higher than in a 22 Long Rifle - then, and not sure, at all, how that compares with today's ammo.
 
My Father gave me a "Rabbit Gun" to use around our hobby farm in the Shuswap when I was 8 years old.
It was a Winchester Model 1902, single shot which had to be manually cocked once the bolt was closed.

The barrel was marked .22 Short and Long [No mention of Long Rifle]

This little rifle was in very good condition, and over the next 15 years or so, I poured thousands of rounds
of 22 Short, Long and Long Rifle ammo through it. It accounted for a large number of starlings, gophers and
other pests. Never had any issues with it. Gifted it to a close friends son, and he still owns it. AFAIK, it still
shoots minute of gopher. It never had any indications of loosening up the action, despite HV 22LR ammo
seeing a fair amount of usage in it. regards, EE.
 
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