Is excessive Logging , hurting the bear pop in your area

Spruster said:
post it to a drunk, you wouldn't understand it .... you wanna challenge me go for it smart a$$..Enuf of you
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Yeah I wouldn't think a mere scientist would understand what you know about chemicals either. Probably take a lot more than years of biochem, with organic and inorganic chem on top of that. Better keep it real simple for me.

Genuinely don't get the whole "I know a lot and if you don't stop arguing I'll make you look dumb" thing.
 
Thoughts and feelings are fine but that’s all they’ll ever be, have to be backed up by truth and evidence.

This guy was well known when I went to school at Fleming. Does your province post tag success results for bears? A mature forest is a vague statement. What’s a mature forestry where you live look like?

Like I said before logging is logging. No one’s going back to pulp bow saws and horses. Chemicals are here to stay anhydrous ammonia is the only reason the world’s population is what is.
https://ca.linkedin.com/in/martyn-obbard-3b434930.

Lots of black bear guides and paying people in northwestern Ontario. People have no trouble baiting bears and filling tags (not much spot and stalk)
 
Joel said:
Yeah I wouldn't think a mere scientist would understand what you know about chemicals either. Probably take a lot more than years of biochem, with organic and inorganic chem on top of that. Better keep it real simple for me.

Genuinely don't get the whole "I know a lot and if you don't stop arguing I'll make you look dumb" thing.
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LMAO ..I don't have to ..you made a good job of it yourself ..now get lost
 
m1008 said:
Thoughts and feelings are fine but that’s all they’ll ever be, have to be backed up by truth and evidence.

This guy was well known when I went to school at Fleming. Does your province post tag success results for bears? A mature forest is a vague statement. What’s a mature forestry where you live look like?

Like I said before logging is logging. No one’s going back to pulp bow saws and horses. Chemicals are here to stay anhydrous ammonia is the only reason the world’s population is what is.
https://ca.linkedin.com/in/martyn-obbard-3b434930.

Lots of black bear guides and paying people in northwestern Ontario. People have no trouble baiting bears and filling tags (not much spot and stalk)
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What are you doing for work, in the pictures you posted up? And where is that?
Thanks!
R.
 
m1008 said:
Thoughts and feelings are fine but that’s all they’ll ever be, have to be backed up by truth and evidence.

This guy was well known when I went to school at Fleming. Does your province post tag success results for bears? A mature forest is a vague statement. What’s a mature forestry where you live look like?

Like I said before logging is logging. No one’s going back to pulp bow saws and horses. Chemicals are here to stay anhydrous ammonia is the only reason the world’s population is what is.
https://ca.linkedin.com/in/martyn-obbard-3b434930.

Lots of black bear guides and paying people in northwestern Ontario. People have no trouble baiting bears and filling tags (not much spot and stalk)
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Dunno about bears because i've never worked with them professionally...so I'll keep my mouth shut.

But I hear a LOT from advocacy groups about how forestry is bad for moose and it just ain't ever been backed up by research. Quite the contrary. Its also not evident when you actually go out and look for them. Work wise I mean not for a week or two during hunting season.

So I believe ya on that. And good point, the stats are out there, if anyone wants to look.

There's been precious little evidence so far.
 
m1008 said:
Thoughts and feelings are fine but that’s all they’ll ever be, have to be backed up by truth and evidence.

This guy was well known when I went to school at Fleming. Does your province post tag success results for bears? A mature forest is a vague statement. What’s a mature forestry where you live look like?

Like I said before logging is logging. No one’s going back to pulp bow saws and horses. Chemicals are here to stay anhydrous ammonia is the only reason the world’s population is what is.
https://ca.linkedin.com/in/martyn-obbard-3b434930.

Lots of black bear guides and paying people in northwestern Ontario. People have no trouble baiting bears and filling tags (not much spot and stalk)
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crazy talk ..NH3 is not why we are here ..Why is eastern Canada getting N credit ? and not the west .. talk to me only on this PM
 
Spruster said:
LMAO ..I don't have to ..you made a good job of it yourself ..now get lost
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No, seriously. Years of education and work say I'd like to read any info you have on the chemicals. If it actually exists. Some random guy on the internet saying I look dumb really doesn't concern me all that much. Years of education and professional experience will do that lol.

I'll post the most compelling research I've ever come across in regards to moose habitat if you can do the same. Or at least give me something legit on chemicals. If you can't, just say so. I'm legitimately listening.

Telling someone to "get lost" over a forum...lol
 
Joel said:
No, seriously. Years of education and work say I'd like to read any info you have on the chemicals. If it actually exists. Some random guy on the internet saying I look dumb really doesn't concern me all that much. Years of education and professional experience will do that lol.

I'll post the most compelling research I've ever come across in regards to moose habitat if you can do the same. Or at least give me something legit on chemicals. If you can't, just say so. I'm legitimately listening.

Telling someone to "get lost" over a forum...lol
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Google Doctor ....lol . I had you pegged
 
Ante up :)

"I know so much about chemicals"

"Oh, do you? I have a degree involving a lot of biochem, organic chem and inorganic chem. Let's talk about it"

"lol ur dumb go away"

If you think I'm a Google Doctor I'll show you a list of classes from my transcript. And it won't say Google or Youtube or Wiki. Can you do same? I'll post it right here.

What do you have? I'll put it this way. One of us is going to be in a laboratory this week....which one is it? What ya got?
 
Joel said:
Ante up :)

"I know so much about chemicals"

"Oh, do you? I have a degree involving a lot of biochem, organic chem and inorganic chem. Let's talk about it"

"lol ur dumb go away"

If you think I'm a Google Doctor I'll show you a list of classes from my transcript. And it won't say Google or Youtube or Wiki. Can you do same? I'll post it right here.

What do you have?
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Well I don't have a drink in my face ..like you ..Papers mean nothing when you're an idiot .. My $%^ is longer than yours .. now go to bed..are you and Rman brothers or just twin drunks..sounds like Rman is oinkin
 
Rman said:
Wresting with a pig comes to mind...

R.
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It does.

At the end of the day, I think you and I both have thick skin and had a good time talking terminal ballistics. And I'd be more than happy to sit down and talk about WHY I think what I think about the velocity of fragments (it has a lot to do with the Compton effect) and I am sure you could do the same and we'd reach some kind of understanding.

The "lol I'm not gonna tell you anything" is the biggest cop-out ever.

Actually discussing the issue seems to be hard though? lol
 
Spruster said:
Well I don't have a drink in my face ..like you ..Papers mean nothing when you're an idiot .. My $%^ is longer than yours .. now go to bed..are yo and Rman brothers or just twin drunks
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Ah, so you have no professional or educational backround on the topic at all. Noted.

At least papers prove your knowledge of a topic met a certain standard. I'd like to see you earn the ones I have.

The ignorant hate the educated because their arguments based on feelings and opinions will lose and they have no recourse. So it gets personal. As soon as they find out you study and work in the field, civility goes out the window and you start seeing this. Always kinda funny. Not particularly graceful, but funny.
 
Joel said:
Ah, so you have no professional or educational backround on the topic at all. Noted.

At least papers prove your knowledge of a topic met a certain standard. I'd like to see you earn the ones I have.

The ignorant hate the educated because their arguments based on feelings and opinions will lose and they have no recourse. So it gets personal. As soon as they find out you study and work in the field, civility goes out the window and you start seeing this. Always kinda funny. Not particularly graceful, but funny.
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I have papers ... and not the wipe ass ones you got
 
Joel said:
It does.

At the end of the day, I think you and I both have thick skin and had a good time talking terminal ballistics. And I'd be more than happy to sit down and talk about WHY I think what I think about the velocity of fragments (it has a lot to do with the Compton effect) and I am sure you could do the same and we'd reach some kind of understanding.

The "lol I'm not gonna tell you anything" is the biggest cop-out ever.

Actually discussing the issue seems to be hard though? lol
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Compton Effect? Nooooo... it's not that complicated! Newtons Law, maybe... definitely need that napkin and pencil... : )
If you're going to go all Compton, then maybe Scotch instead of beer!

R.
 
On the actual topic, for anyone still interested in moose and forestry....really solid read here. This is one of the papers that sort of helped shift a paradigm or open my eyes back in the day. Forestry being GOOD for moose (and other species) is sort of counterintuitive, right? It goes against all of the common (non)sense we end up with...conventional opinion.

R. Rempel, while working for the govt of Ontario, actually found and published that the Ontario system for providing what should be great habitat was failing. And compared many habitat types in what I find to be a very elegant experiment to see what type of terrain produces greatest moose density. Guess what it was?

The finding on roads is also spot on. Many other papers show how increasing road density changes the effectiveness of Habitat Quality Index models.

https://www.researchgate.net/public...Effects_on_Moose_Habitat_Landscape_Evaluation

Its a free download. If the topic interests you, strongly advise a read.
 
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