How should this Mauser Kurz identify?

[Joel]

Nice, I see what you did there

Starting to really be a fan of the standardization that Ardent is going through...nice to have things so streamlined.

If it does go 308, I'm really personally pretty curious about what the 110gr TTSX can do around 3100-3200 fps.

 

[kamlooky]

Pengwin............?.............

 

[Neilm]

I really like both 250 & 257. One thing to bear in mind is that in a bolt you can load to a lot higher pressure than any loading data. 3000 is easy with a 100 gr. I have never formed 22-250 brass to 250 but have used 308 or you can use creedmore if you want Lapua. I actually like the Remington brass.

 

[remington jim]

If it shoots good I would keep it as is in 250 Savage - chances are good that it will Shoot decent But if it doesn’t and needs a rebarrel and of your 3 choices it would become a 308 Win BUT then again if it was mine it would become a 6.5 Creedmoor . JMO RJ

 

[Ardent]

I really like both 250 & 257. One thing to bear in mind is that in a bolt you can load to a lot higher pressure than any loading data. 3000 is easy with a 100 gr. I have never formed 22-250 brass to 250 but have used 308 or you can use creedmore if you want Lapua. I actually like the Remington brass.

Creed necked down was the other way I was thinking of doing it, suppose can’t hurt to buy a box of each .22-250 and Creed in Lapua and see what turns out better.

 

[Ardent]

Turns out it can hurt, I just saw the price of Lapua brass these days, said as an ardent fan of the product who hasn’t bought any in a couple years. A box each of .22-250 and 6.5Cr is over $400 landed.

 

[QueensHorseman]

I’m a .250-3000 fan and have been looking for a suitable, older sako L579 or a Kimber short action to build a nice bolt gun on. Your Kurtz would suit my classic preferences just fine if you find yourself torn over this barrelled action. The .250 with a 100 grain partition is wonderful medicine for any deer and with lighter bullets it will tumble a coyote way out there. I have a Labrador wolf hanging in my “craft room” that was no match for an 87 grainer and the newer 75s are likely better so long as you can sew up the significant hole they make! I have a literal bucket of Winchester factory loads in both the 100 grain silver tips and 87 grain soft points. So I can offer that rifle a good home should we arrive at mutual price and the proper .250 will be used with much care and respect. .308s are like vanilla ice cream, never a truly bad choice but much too common for a special occasion.

 

[kamlooky]

Boy, that's some pritty heavy schmmmmooooz'in gewn awn there QH..............

 

[SHELL SHUCKER]

Boy, that's some pritty heavy schmmmmooooz'in gewn awn there QH..............

 

[9.3mauser]

The difference between a .250 Savage and a .257 Bob is sort of like arguing over the difference between a .308 and a .30/06. Loading data for the .250 is geared towards the Savage 99, so you have room to go up in a bolt rifle.

I have a soft spot for the .250, and I've never owned a Roberts, so it's easy to see where my bias lies.

 

[Ardent]

Fair, this will be a good chance to give the .250 a fair shake, always been intrigued by it. It was one of the cartridges unquestionably most ahead of its time.

 

[SuperCub]

Nice piece. I’d keep the 250 savage at 22” and be happy. It’s already just where it needs to be.

I agree ..... Nice rifle, btw.

 

[SuperCub]

I'd go 300 Savage before 308 Winchester. Classic rifle gets a classic chambering.

 

[kamlooky]

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Got it covered.

 

[Ardent]

Nice! I passed on 40 pieces of Jamison properly headstamped brass on the EE recently, as I was still making up my mind on it. I’ll have to keep watching.

I'd go 300 Savage before 308 Winchester. Classic rifle gets a classic chambering.

Respect for the .300 Savage, but I’m heavily committed to .308 and it’s becoming a classic of its own in my eyes. I think the 6.5 Creed helped that, actually. Can’t ever claim the .308 is being forgotten, it’s the most produced hunting cartridge out there, but it’s not cutting edge in popular conception anymore. I like that.

 

[kamlooky]

The 308win garner'd my respect many moons ago.
Seems to fit the bill almost purfecktly.

 

[Potashminer]

Ardent - maybe you can help me understand what is "Kurtz" length - I see in Nosler 9 manual they say that SAAMI will call out COAL of 2.515" for 250 Savage, 2.780" for 257 Roberts +P, and 2.810" for the 308 Win. Probably irrelevant if you cut your own chamber / throat / leade and then load your own ammo. I had thought a 257 Roberts was a 7x57 necked down to .257" - so my thinking had been to try to use that in a receiver originally sized for 7x57 (3.065" COAL?) So, is a "Kurtz" length Mauser even shorter than those for 7x57 (often Pattern 1893, I think?)?

 

[Ardent]

For sure the mag length on the Kurz is 2.725”, which accommodates most standard .257 Roberts and .308 FMJ and traditional hunting loads (150gr FMJs fit, and are pictured above), just not the long ogive stuff that gets seated to max. With a small adjustment it can take any factory .308 of .257 Roberts if desired.

The length between the screws on the action is 1/2” shorter.

 

[SuperCub]

For sure the mag length on the Kurz is 2.725”

With that mag length, I'd stick with the 250/3000. The 308 and 257R will fit but will be cramped not giving any OAL flexibility.

I like having the 3" option for my 257R.

 

[MiG25]

Wasn't the Kirz factory chamber in the 250/3000 and the 6.5x54 Mauser (not Mannlicher).