Largest Wolf Hunted

Thomas D'Arcy McGee said:
Marine phytoplankton are responsible for producing approximately 50% of the Earth's oxygen. Forests and other terrestrial vegetation collectively produce approximately 28% of the Earth's oxygen.
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According to National Geo, the Oceans produce 50-85% (meaning they are guessing), the Sub Arctic would produce a tiny fraction.

And nobody is talking about turning the Boreal Forest into a Parking Lot, it is all about strangling the rural economy.
 
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Charles Kay in '93 talked about how wolves or humans could be harvesting ungulates and maintain a more or less static herd number. If both are harvesting from the herd, its adult mortality rate is too high, and the numbers decrease. He also stated that a truly self sustaining number of wolves for Yellowstone would need to be in the 1500 range, and predicted back then that was the true end goal of the government and environmentalists. Currently there are ~120 wolves in Yellowstone, indicating that humans are clearly still heavily managing their numbers. Kay mentioned how in Sweden and Finland their hunters are harvesting about 55% (IN 1993) of their moose each year. There are no natural animal predators left in either country, so the numbers are self sustaining. In BC at that same time, the hunters were harvesting 6% a year, with the herd also maintaining a more or less static number as they still have a strong predator population. So, if we want to hunt more, we kill off all the predators like the Scandinavians have. Its possibly a simplistic synopsis of his article from Hunting Magazine, which is an interesting read.
 
Ardent said:
I seem to be an outlier in liking having wolves, grizzlies, and wolverines around. A place feels empty without its apex predators and their presence, is the best indicator of ecosystem health from here to Africa. There’s a balance, I support hunting predators where it contributes to that balance. But elimination isn’t any sort of balance, and I’d rather see predators than 4000 elk and black bear and little else.
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Not at all. Some people believe everything that they read in hunting magazines or on Instagram and they get right bummed out when the herd gets knocked back to something more closely resembling carrying capacity by predators and then they have to apply for an LEH. The people who support this idea that wolves have ruined hunting have been sold a bill of goods.
 
BigUglyMan said:
Not at all. Some people believe everything that they read in hunting magazines or on Instagram and they get right bummed out when the herd gets knocked back to something more closely resembling carrying capacity by predators and then they have to apply for an LEH. The people who support this idea that wolves have ruined hunting have been sold a bill of goods.
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You're wrong. Introducing wolves creates a boom and bust cycle that will get smaller with each cycle as the wolves have a higher reproductive rate than the prey animals.

Look at the Caribou in BC, they were in trouble, the introduction of wolves finished them and made recovery impossible. Or Bighorn Sheep, the only place their holding their own is the Mine Sites because Wolves avoid the activity.

Whitetails are going to keep replacing Mule Deer because the MD are now occupying the range that the Sheep abandoned.

I'd rather 4000 Elk with 1000 guys having a full freezer than Wolves.
 
9.3mauser said:
This seems timely:
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Thanks for the link. Will be interesting to see what they have to do to encourage the cull, and it's success rate. It's mentioned how remote part of the area is; wonder how many ungulate hunters go back there?
 
BigUglyMan said:
Not at all. Some people believe everything that they read in hunting magazines or on Instagram and they get right bummed out when the herd gets knocked back to something more closely resembling carrying capacity by predators and then they have to apply for an LEH. The people who support this idea that wolves have ruined hunting have been sold a bill of goods.
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It’s interesting that wolves and predators in general select for the exact opposite of what we do as hunters and what the regs system prioritizes. I personally don’t believe we solved a riddle of conservation in the last century that’s been in place since the first amoeba ate the first weaker protozoan.

There’s a reason the records are shrinking and we’re unlikely to see the Chadwick ram bested, or a 250lb tusker. Said as an ardent appreciator of a fine species specimen.
 
Ardent said:
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There’s a reason the records are shrinking and we’re unlikely to see the Chadwick ram bested, or a 250lb tusker. Said as an ardent appreciator of a fine species specimen.
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Couldn't agree more; when you shoot the best males of a species for 100+ years, it has to have a massive negative effect on the gene pool.
 
Hi fellows,

This article was posted today that lists the ten largest wolves in Canada, as follows:

10 Largest Wolves Roaming Canada

British Columbian Wolf --- Canis lupus columbianus
Hudson Bay Wolf --- Canis lupus hudsonicus
Labrador Wolf --- Canis lupus labradorius
Mackenzie River Wolf --- Canis lupus mackenzii
Tundra Wolf --- Canis lupus tundrarum
Great Plains Wolf or Buffalo Wolf --- Canis lupus nubilus
Northwestern Wolf --- Canis lupus occidentalis
Alaskan Interior Wolf --- Canis lupus pambasileus
Baffin Island Wolf --- Canis lupus manningi
Alexander Archipelago Wolf --- Canis lupus ligoni
 
That web page is solid high school biology project clickbait material in my unscientific opinion. Hunted, photographed, and hunted in the coastal wolves, and the Mackenzie wolves extensively. The coastals are sizeable but consistently smaller than the wolves I hunted and trapped in the NE of BC, and NW of Alberta in Bison areas.
 
I have gotten 3 males in 25 years. Biggest was 109lbs. Smallest was 91lbs. Seen MANY shot by others over the last 30 yrs. Not one was over 125.
I assume the argument exists that in an area with abundant easy prey, ample cover, no hunting, and excellent genes, it could support a few animals over 150-160 lbs easily.....same as areas that produce obese bears.
 
Maybe Jack London was onto something. I’ll wait for the DNA sequencing, but we’ve been surprised before. I did the Nat Geo genographic project, turns out I have a single central asian ancestor which I’m guessing may not have been consensual amongst other surprises. There’s been a lot of time and a lot of things ####ing each other, things get wild genetically on this planet.

https://wolf.org/original-articles/learn-about-black-wolves/
 
brutus said:
fellas. I heard that american biologists in minnesota came to conclusion predominantly black wolves was result dna mixing of husky or malamute.

Do you believe this as truth?
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no. :redface:

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Grizz
 
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