Glock 20 or Kimber Classic Custom II?

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So I'm buying a 10mm, I have the cash in hand ready to buy a Glock 20. I was surfing Kimber's website when I came across the Custom stainless II in 10mm. A great looking gun, nevermind when compared to the Glock.

Would it be worth the significant amount of extra money to get the Kimber? Will I even be able to find one of these "limited production" pistols? Considering the price difference which is better? The 20's 15 round mags are moot up here and both guns fit well in my hand.:confused: I love pistols but my experience is relatively limited.
 
Glock 20 will be more durable......it has proven to stand up best to the 10mm round. Think of all the extra money you will have left over for ammo accessories...
 
I really liked the Glock 20's I've owned and shot extensively...they are a "soft shooting" 10mm, and in my experience very accurate.
 
ponts said:
Glock 20 will be more durable......it has proven to stand up best to the 10mm round. Think of all the extra money you will have left over for ammo accessories...
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Is this a fact or simply a rumor spread by one of numerous Glock koolaid drinkers? I'd like to see the test results that show conclusively that Glock 20 stands up better to the 20mm round than other 10 mm guns. If Glock is having kaboom issues with the much milder .40 round, I’d hate to see what a 10mm kaboom would look like.
 
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Is this a fact or simply a rumor spread by one of numerous Glock koolaid drinkers? I'd like to see the test results that show conclusively that Glock 20 stands up better to the 20mm round than other 10 mm guns. If Glock is having kaboom issues with the much milder .40 round, I’d hate to see what a 10mm kaboom would look like.
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Spend some time on www.10mmtalk.com

The 1911 was designed for a LOW pressured 45 round, not the pounding high pressured 10mm. The life span of a Colt Delta Elite 10mm was under 2000 rounds and the only true lasting 10mm model is the g-20. The Glock 20 was built specifically for the 10mm beefed up slide and barrel.

Yes I know the 1911 (Designed tight around the time of the model T-Ford) is the BEST EVER GUN and nothing can come close :stirthepot2:

In 45 YES maybe I would agree that nothing has surpassed it......but in 10mm sorry my friend there are better choices.
 
ponts said:
Spend some time on www.10mmtalk.com

The 1911 was designed for a LOW pressured 45 round, not the pounding high pressured 10mm. The life span of a Colt Delta Elite 10mm was under 2000 rounds and the only true lasting 10mm model is the g-20. The Glock 20 was built specifically for the 10mm beefed up slide and barrel.

Yes I know the 1911 (Designed tight around the time of the model T-Ford) is the BEST EVER GUN and nothing can come close :stirthepot2:

In 45 YES maybe I would agree that nothing has surpassed it......but in 10mm sorry my friend there are better choices.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that 1911 is the greatest thing ever, or that Glock sucks. What I am trying to imply is that Glock's reputation for being the most durable pistol ever made is rooted more in fantasy than in reality. Just because it's a Glock doesn't necessarily mean it will last longer than some other gun.

You say that the 1911 was originally designed for the low pressure .45 round. What about the fact that Glock was originally designed for the 9mm, which is even less taxing on the pistol than .45ACP (although it is higher pressure). So both 1911 and Glock were originally designed for much weaker cartridges. If fact, there has never been a semi-auto that was designed for the 10mm cartridge from the ground up. Even the Bren Ten was a modification of the CZ-75 design.

When it comes to internet hype and exaggerated claims, no other pistols gets as much as the Glock. Until I see some objective evidence of Glock 20 being more durable than 1911 and other 10mm designs, you’ll have to excuse me for remaining skeptical.
 
The G-17 Frame, and slide dimensions were increased to handle the 10mm. Also when comparing the glock 21 and 20 the g-20 slide is beefier. The 1911 frame and slide remain the same whether 45 or 10mm.

It is not Hype. There is a reason why Glock's are on more LEO hips then other makes.

Buy both and put 3000 rounds through both then let me know your reults. My prediction is your 1911 in 10mm will require the recoil spring be replaced in under 1000 rounds probably other parts. Around 2000 rounds of full bore 10mm if your 1911 frame has not cracked it will show signs of stress and will be be shot out by 3000 rounds of full power 10mm. The glock 20 will still be going strong after many 1000's more.

But whatever floats your boat.....if you subscribe to the glock kaboom bull#### theory and the 1911 HYPE then that is cool too.
 
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ponts said:
The G-17 Frame, and slide dimensions were increased to handle the 10mm. Also when comparing the glock 21 and 20 the g-20 slide is beefier. The 1911 frame and slide remain the same whether 45 or 10mm.
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True, but the 1911 slide is already much beefier than the G-20 slide. And the frame is made out of steel, which is stronger than plastic and therefor does not need to be expanded.

ponts said:
It is not Hype. There is a reason why Glock's are on more LEO hips then other makes.
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It is hype. The reason why Glocks are on more LEO hips than other makes is the low cost of the Glock compared to other makes. Someone in the U.S. military once cautioned to always remember that a soldier's rifle is made by the lowest bidder. The same is true of LEO sidearms.

ponts said:
Buy both and put 3000 rounds through both then let me know your reults.
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Send me the money to cover the cost of guns and ammo and I will gladly do it for ya :D

ponts said:
But whatever floats your boat.....if you subscribe to the glock kaboom bulls**t theory and the 1911 HYPE then that is cool too.
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I have no horse in this race. I am by no means a 1911 fanboy and I don't hate Glocks either. I just call things as I see them. And for the record I did not say that a Glock 20 would not last longer than a 1911. What I said is that I have never see any real evidence suggesting that would be the case.
 
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So I'm buying a 10mm, I have the cash in hand ready to buy a Glock 20. I was surfing Kimber's website when I came across the Custom stainless II in 10mm. A great looking gun, nevermind when compared to the Glock.

Would it be worth the significant amount of extra money to get the Kimber? Will I even be able to find one of these "limited production" pistols? Considering the price difference which is better? The 20's 15 round mags are moot up here and both guns fit well in my hand.:confused: I love pistols but my experience is relatively limited.
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Choice comes down to availability and how the gun fits your hand. A 1911 fits my hand like a glove and a Glock feels chunky. Try the feel of both. Don't believe the BS about durability etc. Unless you're one of those who thinks he's Rambo you'll be long gone before wearing out either one. You may have trouble finding a 10mm Kimber though. but I would check TSE.
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I had to turf the stock barrel on my Glock 20 and use a KKM instead when shooting nuclear 10mm handloads. The Glock chamber is really sloppy big and not usefull unless all you're going to shoot is factory ammo. I got rid of that gun and will get a second .40 barrel for my STI Edge reamed to 10mm and use that instead.
 
Between G20 and Kimber 10mm I'd go with the later for sure.

I have to say a couple of months ago I was very close to buying a G20 myself; but the second I got to handle one I knew it wasn't for me! (I've shot glocks before just not the .45/10mm frame) the grip was just wrong; big, boxy, bad checkeing and the angle didn't help either... On other hand (Kimber) 1911's fit my hand quite well!

If Glock comes out with 20SF model I'd give it a second look and may even buy it, that is if I don't get a 10mm 1911 before that! :)
 
The STI mags take 10mm at full length no problem, I tried it, as the frame is designed around .45 length rounds to begin with. I load my .40 long at 1.190" and there is plenty of room left, I think you could go a little past 1.250". There is no spacer in the .40 mags.
 
Ponts in right.

Did I mention that Colt's is now making stainles Delta Elites again in 10mm? Well they are.
I'm not a 10mm fan to start. High pressure, much noise, extra cost...the list goes on....but, the Glock 20 would stand up better. Has stood up better. Now, some companies do make 1911's in 10mm, but not much production and definately not lifetime warranty. How could they?
10mm is a punishing cartridge. Only Glock can tame it over time...:shotgun:
 
757Fixer said:
I had to turf the stock barrel on my Glock 20 and use a KKM instead when shooting nuclear 10mm handloads. The Glock chamber is really sloppy big and not usefull unless all you're going to shoot is factory ammo. I got rid of that gun and will get a second .40 barrel for my STI Edge reamed to 10mm and use that instead.
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Really? I'm surprised to hear this...I have used and reloaded for three different G20's now, and the stock barrels seemed to work fine for me. I reused and reloaded the brass with full house loads multiple times, and didn't see any cracked case mouths, etc. Interesting.

As far as the above question goes, I too agree with Ponts...I believe the G20 will outperform any 1911 platform (and I love them, just look at my handle on here:D) many times over in durability with the 10mm round. Admittedly for me, this is just an feeling borne from the firing of lots of rounds from both Glock 10's and 1911 10's both.
 
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