20ga Hornady SST Slug vs 44 Rem Mag

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Looking at box numbers would a 20ga slug be similar to a 44 Rem Mag coming out if a rifle (energy, drop…etc).
 
If factory specs are trusted, the 20 Guage will have more jam at all ranges. But it would not be legal for all Game in BC while the 44 Mag is legal for everything but Bison.

Factory claims 2000 fps from the 20 Guage with a .200 ballistic coeff. and 250gr of bullet.

Hornady's 240gr 44 Mag load has a claimed ballistic coeff. of .205 and I've yet to see a 240gr 44 Mag load that wasn't in the range of 1600 to 1800 fps in a rifle.
 
Hi Doug
if you wanna test any slugs in the 20 ga
try Challenger , Canadian made and accurate
and will out penetrate the brenneke slugs all day
 
I have killed numerous bears and deer with both 20 gauge and 12 gauge slugs, both Foster and Brenneke.
IMO in a close range confrontation - all things like accuracy being equal, I will take a 12 gauge 1 1/8 OZ slug every time.
As for the .44 mag, I would go with a 20 gauge slug at close range.
Cat
 
iron cat said:
I have killed numerous bears and deer with both 20 gauge and 12 gauge slugs, both Foster and Brenneke.
IMO in a close range confrontation - all things like accuracy being equal, I will take a 12 gauge 1 1/8 OZ slug every time.
As for the .44 mag, I would go with a 20 gauge slug at close range.
Cat
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On paper the 20ga with saboted slugs may have an edge. However in real world the 44 mag in a rifle will likely be more accurate and more repeatable at ranges beyond 75 yards and offer a better selection of bullets for various game and other needs. It's also cheaper this allowing more practise while good 20ga saboted slugs are expensive and hard to source and there's not much selection. If you handload the 44 mag becomes much more appealing in regards to ammo selection
 
Sabot slugs cost a lot and you aren’t exactly guaranteed that your rifled barrel will shoot them well, I’d pick 44mag as it’s easier to find factory ammo and if you reload or cast you are good to go. Haven’t looked at prices for .44mag on the shelf but I’m guessing it’s cheaper per round than a sabot slug.
 
Are we talking here about 20ga full bore slugs (like Foster, Brenneke, Challenger) an out of a smoothbore barrel?

Or are we talking about 20ga sabot slugs out of a rifled 20ga barrel?

There is a big difference with respect to accuracy, energy and drop.


The Hornady SST Slug is a sabot that needs to be shot out of a rifled barrel.
 
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Rifled Barrel
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Hornady 20ga SST Sabot --> 250 gr at 1800 FPS



Smoothbore
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Challenger (Gualandi) 20ga Slug --> 383 gr at 1610 FPS


Rio Royal Brenneke 20ga --> 383 gr at 1360 FPS


Rottweil Brenneke Classic 20ga --> 383 gr at 1345 FPS


Brenneke 20ga Magnum 3" (not available in Canada) --> 437 gr at 1476 FPS
 
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Spruster said:
Hi Doug
if you wanna test any slugs in the 20 ga
try Challenger , Canadian made and accurate
and will out penetrate the brenneke slugs all day
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And with respect to what characteristics is a 20ga Challenger slug superior to a Hornady 20ga SST Sabot?

OP is looking for infos on the Hornady 20ga SST Sabot .... and which needs to be shot out of a rifled barrel!

Challenger slugs or Brennekes were never designed for rifled barrels ....
 
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challenger can be fired out of a rifled barrel
I guess the OP never did state distance , or I missed it
I wanted him to know of a another option if used close range
Maybe you should research a little more when you don't know
go to Gualandi web site or Flahertey's canada
 
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nowarningshot said:
Close range, 《 30yds a slug. Beyond that, non bear defense the 44mag.

I vote 44mag. Fireballs at dusk, with cans as a excuse, giggle factor.
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that was my point as the OP never stated , 30 yds for you and maybe 120 for him is close range
my post was to him
 
-Doug- said:
Looking at box numbers would a 20ga slug be similar to a 44 Rem Mag coming out if a rifle (energy, drop…etc).
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Doug, I am assuming you are asking this question with respect to hunting. I mean I have never met anybody who does target practice and plinking with sabots ... they are just too expensive. At around $5.- per shot ... that would be an expensive fun time ....

A couple of thoughts .....

1.) 20ga sabots and 44 mag out of a carbine seem to have similar ballistics.

2.) Finding a sabot round that is accurate with your rifled shotgun barrel is not so easy with most guns/barrels. You will have to try several different brands of ammo and to try to find a sabot that your barrel likes. Expect to spend quite a bit of money to just find the sabot that your gun likes. And once you figured out what brand/sabot your barrel likes .... then you have to deal with the availability of that unique round .... I would buy a huge supply and to last me for years. But that is not cheap at $5.- per round!

Sadly, rifled shotgun barrels are finicky ... !!!

3.) If you are restricted to a shotgun only zone the question is at what distances are you thinking of shooting. Smoothbore (fullbore) slugs like the Challenger, Brenneke, or Foster are accurate enough for big game hunting to 50 and maybe 100 meters. But not further! So, if you think your shots will be within that range .... or you think you can limit yourself to that range ... I would go with a smooth bore shotgun with rifle sights or ghost rings. Full bore slugs are cheaper and smoothbore barrels with a fixed choke are not as finicky as rifled barrels. A rifled barrel and sabot slugs will extend range to maybe 150 to max 200 meters depending if you find a good sabot match to your barrel.

4.) Now, if you are not restricted by a shotgun only zone, then I am with Brybenn and Butcherbill .... I would go the 44 mag route. A larger variety of factory ammo will shoot accurately out of a 44 mag carbine and you have a much larger variety of ammo and bullet weights available to you .... and which all should shoot halfway decent out of your 44mag barrel/gun. Range is roughly the same as a 20ga sabot ... 75 to 150 meters lets say.

5.) There are some reports out there that the 12ga and 20ga Hornady SST do not expand well and that they leave a minimal to nearly no blood trail. I have no first hand experience of this .... But I came across a couple of reports about this on different forums. And to be honest I believe those reports .... I once tested a Winchester 12ga hollowpoint sabot for accuracy out of my rifled 12ga .... and after I finished testing ... I recovered some of those bullets from the sand backstop. Those hollow points had not expanded one bit. They basically looked as if they had not been shot. Those hollowpoints were designed for much higher velocities .... but Winchester used them in that 12ga sabot round.

Voila, hope this helps ....
 
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Spruster said:
challenger can be fired out of a rifled barrel
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Sure the Challengers can be shot out of a rifled barrel but at what price/cost?

Spruster said:
Maybe you should research a little more when you don't know
go to Gualandi web site or Flahertey's canada
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Lol ... now that is funny ....

Well, I am pretty confident in my research and testing ....

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1635960-Unofficial-12ga-Slug-Penetration-Comparison
 
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your slug test ...Hmmmmm
to the point you were "wrong" to state challenger is not meant for rifled barrels
we have talked in the past and I told you and you agreed that your specific shotgun is a bad shooter .
10 in at 50 yards for the challenger ,
I have a smooth barrel and told you that before
let's blame your gun and I will leave it at that
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Spruster said:
your slug test ...Hmmmmm
to the point you were "wrong" to state challenger is not meant for rifled barrels
we have talked in the past and I told you and you agreed that your specific shotgun is a bad shooter .
10 in at 50 yards for the challenger ,
I have a smooth barrel and told you that before
let's blame your gun and I will leave it at that
Done
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Lol .... what are you talking about ???? Sorry, you are making no sense at all!!!

My guns all shoot perfectly fine ... and with the ammo that I have sighted them in with .... ;)
 
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