Smith and Wesson 1st. Mod. DA .44 Russian

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This may get a little wordy but please bear with me. Some time ago, I determined that I wanted a legal bush carry pistol for times when a long gun would be inconvenient or for when I was bow hunting (crossbows not being known for quick reload). My first choice, back then, was a Webley in .455 but I was shocked at the cost of a good one. I stumbled upon a decently priced S&W in .44 Russian and upon doing research, I found that it was just about the most powerful of the antique caliber revolver rounds readily available. I now reload that caliber. From what I've read, .44 American, .45 Schofield, or .41 Colt have their issues, either in power or getting reloading components. I've had 6 of them pass through my hands which I moved on for one reason or another while I was refining my exact "want" list. Essentially, I wanted a very good condition 6" barrel blued 1st. Mod. Double Action and I bought one from an excellent gentleman in the US. Even with the currency conversion rate and the duty, I still paid considerably less than a comparable pistol would cost me in Canada. I've been giving it a thorough going over and cleaning. Mechanically it's perfect which may have something to do with the fact that in Aug. of 1921 it was shipped back to S&W for some work and I assume it was refurbed by Smith & Wesson at that time. The bore is good with strong rifling but a lot of evidence of black powder corrosion though no severe pitting. I am admittedly biased in favour of these pistols given the years of research I've done, but I would not hesitate to recommend this model of pistol for anyone looking for a good reliable antique. For me, my hunt for my "forever" pistol has stopped.
 
How was your process importing from the US?

Oh boy!! That's a story and a half! The parcel arrived 20th. of April at Canada Customs. Having heard nothing by June 30th., with the help of a good friend, I got the number for my local customs facility. To make a long story short, they'd sent 2 notifications to the wrong address and province (the parcel was addressed correctly) because someone couldn't read or couldn't write properly. Once I actually talked to an agent, things went smoothly and quickly. If anyone is contemplating importing an antique pistol from the US here's my advice. You can use an importer like Borderview who, for a fee, will do all the paperwork for you. If you opt to just trust to the postal system, have the seller put a detailed description of the pistol with relevant dating in the parcel. When you are contacted my customs, you'll be able to prove antique status. In the letters I never received, they asked for my PAL, my ATT, and the registration certificate. When I spoke to the agent, I pointed out that none of those things were necessary according to the law regarding antiques and upon examining the act and being satisfied that the pistol met the "antique" criteria, she agreed and as I mentioned, the pistol arrived quickly with no further problems.
 
Nice S&W Lawrence.. really is too bad our system is so backwards up here that the current ones manufactured today aren't simpler to carry. Let alone buy and own anymore in the first place.

Looks & sounds like that one should serve you pretty good
 
Thanks to a wonderful gentleman in Michigan, I got all the information I needed to load smokeless. I'm using HP-38 with both 200 and 240 gr. soft-cast lead bullets.

Good choice. The 1st Model DA's handle smokeless loads just fine (within reason of course). They're built solid and were definitely ahead of their time. S&W themselves warrantied these guns for smokeless in 1909 I believe.
 
That sure is a beauty, congrats! Seeing as how you've done some research on these, I have a question that you might be able to answer. I've seen some S&W DA 44 Russians with the 'SW in a circle stamp' on the right hand side between the grip and the hammer screw and others without. Do you know if there was any rhyme or reason to that, or if it started at a certain point when the guns were being shipped out?
Thanks
 
That sure is a beauty, congrats! Seeing as how you've done some research on these, I have a question that you might be able to answer. I've seen some S&W DA 44 Russians with the 'SW in a circle stamp' on the right hand side between the grip and the hammer screw and others without. Do you know if there was any rhyme or reason to that, or if it started at a certain point when the guns were being shipped out?
Thanks

From what I've been able to gather, it was the later pistols in the 40,000's serial number range that had the S&W logo as well as ".44 Smith & Wesson" stamped on the barrel. When that started, I can't definitively say. Given that S&W stopped production of the "short strap" models in favour of producing only "long strap" in all the offered chamberings, the exact date of the switch over is (I believe) lost to history.
 
From what I've been able to gather, it was the later pistols in the 40,000's serial number range that had the S&W logo as well as ".44 Smith & Wesson" stamped on the barrel. When that started, I can't definitively say. Given that S&W stopped production of the "short strap" models in favour of producing only "long strap" in all the offered chamberings, the exact date of the switch over is (I believe) lost to history.

Thank you! I have one in the 39000 serial number range with the SW circle stamp, but no 44 on the barrel, and one in the 25000 range without the SW circle stamp. Both short cylinders.
 
Thank you! I have one in the 39000 serial number range with the SW circle stamp, but no 44 on the barrel, and one in the 25000 range without the SW circle stamp. Both short cylinders.

YOU HAVE 2 OF 'EM?????? Lucky you! Actually, I do also but one is for sale on EE. I have to share a heartbreaker with you. A while back from another site, I purchased the most beautiful S&W antique I ever saw! Beautiful original blue mostly intact, colour case hardening almost perfect on the hammer and trigger, best mechanics I've ever encountered on one of these, gorgeous bore and cylinders, 6-1/2" barrel with the uncommon Paine style beaded target sight, get the picture? (speaking of pictures, check out the one attached and you'll see what I mean) The seller sold it to me in good faith as a .44 Russian. I know just enough about these pistols to be dangerous and I saw something that gave me cause for concern. Sure enough, it turns out to be a "Frontier" model and therefore chambered in .44-40! I did all the proper legal steps, had it verified and registered as a restricted pistol, and tried to sell it just before the prancing buffoon in Ottawa banned the sale or transfer of restricted firearms. I managed to get it to a broker who got it de-registered and it now sits in a US auction house, coming up on the block in Sept. Given that these are more common and less expensive in the states than here, I'm going to lose money on the sale by the time the auction house takes it's cut and even with the exchange rate. How much of a hit remains to be seen.
 
Wait...can we still buy antique handguns, and carry them in the bush?

uh, and what meets "antique" by definition?
 
Wait...can we still buy antique handguns, and carry them in the bush?

uh, and what meets "antique" by definition?

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1 The firearms listed in the schedule are antique firearms for the purposes of paragraph (b) of the definition antique firearm in subsection 84(1) of the Criminal Code.

Handguns
6 A handgun manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging only rim-fire cartridges, other than 22 Calibre Short, 22 Calibre Long or 22 Calibre Long Rifle cartridges.

7 A handgun manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging centre-fire cartridges, other than a handgun designed or adapted to discharge 32 Short Colt, 32 Long Colt, 32 Smith and Wesson, 32 Smith and Wesson Long, 32-20 Winchester, 38 Smith and Wesson, 38 Short Colt, 38 Long Colt, 38-40 Winchester, 44-40 Winchester, or 45 Colt cartridges.
 
Thank you! I have one in the 39000 serial number range with the SW circle stamp, but no 44 on the barrel, and one in the 25000 range without the SW circle stamp. Both short cylinders.

I have one in 44 Russian with a 3 digit serial number, first year of production. It has red mottled hard rubber grips that were only installed in the first year of production. It’s a keeper for sure.
 
Wait...can we still buy antique handguns, and carry them in the bush?

uh, and what meets "antique" by definition?

Derv has given you the proper legal definition of "antique" from the governmental site. As to bush carry, from my research of the dumba$$ laws we have to abide by, you may carry a pistol and discharge it anywhere it's legal to fire any non-restricted firearm. The pistol must be openly displayed! If it's under a coat or jacket, you may be charged with carrying a concealed weapon. As an ex military cop and an old fart, if nothing else, I have learned this, the law doesn't have to make sense, it just has to be the law.
 
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