Contacting the CFC re: antique status

Killer Kanuck

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I was just wondering if anyone had contact info (email address) for someone in the CFC tech section who can confirm whether a pistol is antique or not. Seeing all the pics you guys have been posting has made me start to look at what's out there. There are some oddballs out there :D
 
My experience with Gary is that he appears to feel it would be better to destroy 1000 true antiques than let one modern flintlock pistol slip through unregistered. He/they appear to use the maker's name as their primary method of establishing antique status. While they may say proof marks as well, the differences between pre and post 1898 British proof marks are pretty subtle to my eyes at least. The British proofs did not change until after 1898 and in the US, they were never used as a universal requirement.
I thought that George Fraser was of the same department was much more knowledgeable than Gary and is a very pleasant person to deal with.

cheers mooncoon
 
mooncoon said:
I thought that George Fraser was of the same department was much more knowledgeable than Gary and is a very pleasant person to deal with.

cheers mooncoon
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I think I might be able to look up his contact info tomorrow at work (directory of fed employees).

I came across this while checking out some of the online auctions - probably too new to qualify as an antique (and nothing even close to it listed in the FRT) but would be an interesting hand cannon to play around with. :D
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Never heard of 500 Webley before.
 
Killer Kanuck said:
I think I might be able to look up his contact info tomorrow at work (directory of fed employees).

I came across this while checking out some of the online auctions - probably too new to qualify as an antique (and nothing even close to it listed in the FRT) but would be an interesting hand cannon to play around with. :D
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Never heard of 500 Webley before.
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Uh oh I need one of those :D
I like that , personally it wouldn't bother me if it was registered.
Cheers nessy.
 
That Side by side Belgian gun ya posted from Gun Broker!

the only ones ive been able to buy were the ones with the pre 1893 Belgian proof mark which is the Oval with ELG inside WITHOUT a crown ontop of the Oval.
Most are so worn that the Proofmarks are all but gone.
they also gota be one of the *OK* calibers and most belgian guns are being metric and alot are british calibers like 380 450 Ect which are OK!

I second Mooncoons ideas on George Frazer. But hes the Head honcho and is not around much these days.
But a good guy all the same not hell bent on destroying any guns!
 
Since I suspect that the gun is Belgian, check the proof marks. All belgian guns aftern Oct 18, 1898 have a crown over the ELG stamp. Those exported to Germany between 1893 and 1898 also had this crown. One of the few marks that changes at a convenient time.

cheers mooncoon
 
dingus said:
That Side by side Belgian gun ya posted from Gun Broker!
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Right on the Gun Broker part, but it's French. :p

Another quick question for those that have done quite a bit of cross border gun deals - if it's an antique stateside, and restricted here, does that simplify the import process any? Possible to just apply to register it, and once you get a cert, have it shipped? Or is it the same drawn out process as with every other type of firearm?
 
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If it is an antique stateside, that simplifies things as far as getting the antique to the border. However, you would need a permit to transport it from Canada customs at the border to your home, if it is a restricted firearm here.
 
Win 38-55 said:
However, you would need a permit to transport it from Canada customs at the border to your home, if it is a restricted firearm here.
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If you included the necessary paperwork with the pistol when it was shipped from the seller, would Customs allow it to be delivered to you (via Canada Post), or would you have to pick it up?
 
I have had no experience shipping or receiving restricted firearms via the mail, so I'm afraid someone more knowledgeable than I will have to reply. I expect that you would need, at minimum, to include a permit for the shipping.
 
I'm assuming a 380 European cartridge would not be considered a 38 Short or long Colt, and therefore be OK. Can anyone confirm this?
 
Killer Kanuck said:
I'm assuming a 380 European cartridge would not be considered a 38 Short or long Colt, and therefore be OK. Can anyone confirm this?
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You will need to get out some accurate measuring equipment, and have a go at the case dimensions, as well as having some idea what the cartridge was designated as.

A copy of Cartridges of the world might be helpful.

Some Euro cartridges are/were metric designated American cartridges, others were similar, but different enough. Others were really different. The easy ones are the ones that were either designated by name, like the 44 Russian, or designated by a metric "between size" that put the bore size off from the standard sizes used on this side of the water.

If you are looking at a pistol online and cannot get at the chambers to measure, safest way is going to be to stick to the "known" antique class calibers, I think.

Sorry. Not much help.

Cheers
Trev
 
Watch Out!

DO NOT RELY ON THE CFC to know anything pertinent to the antique status of a gun! Do you own research and cover your own ass!

When I bought a pair 2nd Generation Colt cap & ballers, the nice CFC lady assured me she could de-register the '51 Navy.
We argued. She insisted. I told her to do it. She did. I took it into the US to an event and back home.
Three months later I hear from the CFC telling me I erroneously applied to de-register a restricted firearm. We argued. The gun was re-registered and no apology was forth coming.

Great efficiency from a $ multi-million bureaucracy. CYOA!

Todd
 
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