Could you clarify that please?
what is the biggest game can Tikka T3 .270 win hunt ?
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Could you clarify that please?
He is speaking as a type.
Ardent
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Just ask Ted about the .270, naturally you see the same with the 7 Mag and .300, the common factor is speed. .270s the nicest of the bunch to shoot however, especially in a rifle light enough for the mountains.
I find Keith appears more offended than O’Connor, likely because his views were more threatened. There are pictures of them together, so the tough talk likely subsided in person.
Ardent
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That is to say the Americans who figured you need heavy stiff bullets to take down a grizzly, and those who carried elk rifles. You’ll find the heavy bullet guys love their .45ACPs at home as well in the campfire talk, and didn’t think much of my 10mm or anything under .429” as if a line was drawn under it.
The heavy hard bullets were part of the former’s adventure and hard to talk them out of. I fell for it, for a time. On that note generally, the more a client had hunted the world, the more likely they were to show up with a .300 and a moderate bullet weight. .270s the light end of the same effect, and a sweetheart of a round.
I'm most content to educate myself through experience, and never engrossed in the litature of gun writers thoughts and experiences. I'm aware of O'Connor and Keith, however, only by reading comments from others regarding them. I do not practice idoltry with anyone in the gun/hunting world, thank Christ, otherwise I would lay waste my preconceived ideas. The 270 Win. and the 35 Whelen are both great cartridges, they both have their merits, however people love to nit-pic and split hairs..........dumb!
I'm not a Keith bro, and I like the 270 just fine. I won't pretend to be super studied in the literature or concerned about the minutia of chambering or bullet selection.
I guess the 'conflict' would be philosophical "big and slow vs fast and light". I thought of Keith as an advocate of his own wildcats and the basically equivalent 338 wm and O'Connor of the 270.
If the contest is between a 270 and a 338 wm I have probably shot most of my big game animals with one of the two. I would probably take the 338 wm for western hunting but the 270 is wildly effective even with 130 grain bullets
A soft point 250 or 225 grain 338 bullet, while slightly excessive will seemingly kill deer and black bears as well or better than a 270 and seemingly more effective on moose and Elk. Certainly not "slow" even with 275 and 300 bullets with longer barrels and powders
I guess the 'conflict' would be philosophical "big and slow vs fast and light". I thought of Keith as an advocate of his own wildcats and the basically equivalent 338 wm and O'Connor of the 270.
If the contest is between a 270 and a 338 wm I have probably shot most of my big game animals with one of the two. I would probably take the 338 wm for western hunting but the 270 is wildly effective even with 130 grain bullets
A soft point 250 or 225 grain 338 bullet, while slightly excessive will seemingly kill deer and black bears as well or better than a 270 and seemingly more effective on moose and Elk. Certainly not "slow" even with 275 and 300 bullets with longer barrels and powders
You and John Barsness have both personally told me about the 270 laying down big animals pronto as well. Has a decent following out here for moose, but I think there's a stigma of the old days of poorly constructed bullets pushed too hard passed down by old folks. Know i heard enough of it growing up. Hope that fades away.
Polar bears! A good bullet in the right spot. Not my choice for big bear and bison, but if you’re up to it ( have the ability to make the shot and to pass if the shot is not right ) the cartridge has enough energy.
bearkilr
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There seems to be the misconception that O'Connor used his 270 for everything, much like Bell used the 7x57 on elephant. Nothing could be further from the truth, he was a big advocate of the 375 H&H and 416 Rigby for big/dangerous game.
And this would be known if some would look it up either the ole fashioned way (library) or the internet....
Polar, Grizzly bear, MuskOx or Bison are not my first choice for those critters even with the proper bullet.
Tight Groups,
Rob
Don’t let “Johnny Tookalook”, hear this, he’s using a .222Rem for Polar bears!
Ardent
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As are anyone who’s used them extensively, those are ‘quick’ medium bores at 2400 and 2500fps respectively for traditional loads.
rajczak_kashka
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Elephant ….with a well placed head shot
bearkilr
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Other than John Taylor, I've never heard anyone refer to the 416 Rigby as a "medium bore" lol. I guess that makes the 460 Wby a quick medium as well.
If you want to read about the Keith O’Connor to and fro, get a copy of Keith’s Gun Notes Volume Two.
Many of the back and forth letters reprinted with much correspondence from Keith’s friend Truman Fowler.
Fowler published Keith’s “Safari” and was Elmer’s biggest fan.
Snap shots from a different age for sure.
I have a type written copy of a letter sent from JOC himself to my Grandfather complete with spelling errors.
That letter spelled out his regard for the 257 Robert’s complete with hand loading info.
I cannot imagine an era where the gun writer for Outdoor Life took the time to reply to his readers with personal mail.
Let alone he answered a dozen or so letters every month in his Qand A column in Outdoor Life plus writing of his exploits hunting the world over.
O’Connor hunted with royalty and wrote of it and wrote very well.
Elmer never achieved that level of respect and I believe that’s where the friction came.
I started reading JOC’s stuff when I was 16 and 50 years later his advice has not led me wrong.
Yup! Damn 270!
Many of the back and forth letters reprinted with much correspondence from Keith’s friend Truman Fowler.
Fowler published Keith’s “Safari” and was Elmer’s biggest fan.
Snap shots from a different age for sure.
I have a type written copy of a letter sent from JOC himself to my Grandfather complete with spelling errors.
That letter spelled out his regard for the 257 Robert’s complete with hand loading info.
I cannot imagine an era where the gun writer for Outdoor Life took the time to reply to his readers with personal mail.
Let alone he answered a dozen or so letters every month in his Qand A column in Outdoor Life plus writing of his exploits hunting the world over.
O’Connor hunted with royalty and wrote of it and wrote very well.
Elmer never achieved that level of respect and I believe that’s where the friction came.
I started reading JOC’s stuff when I was 16 and 50 years later his advice has not led me wrong.
Yup! Damn 270!
