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I bought a few sporterized LE's years ago and put them away to restore and am finally getting to them. One of them is a Savage and it appears to have a counter bored barrel.

The end of the barrel was also heavily scoured or ground in an attempt to remove the proof markings, but they're still visible.
I don't remember reading anything about them counter boring and with the "work" done to the end of the barrel figured I'd check.



 
Like you, I do not remember reading that "counter boring" was a military thing at all - if the rifling gets worn out at muzzle, I suspect most country's military would have condemned it? Sold off cheapish - then someone buys it and attempts to extend the life by counter boring?? Creates the effect of the "muzzle" way down inside the barrel, but keeps the exterior of the barrel looking original - I believe was done with most military caliber rifles - 30-06, 7.62x54R, 303 British, 6.5x55 and so on. So if most of the reason to do so was to preserve original exterior, then that grind / scour ahead of the bayonet lugs a bit of a mystery? Is several that I correspond with who feel the USA requirement for importer stamp on barrel "ruins" it for collection purposes, but likely of no matter to make up a "shooter" - your pictures as if someone paid for a "shooter" grade and then thought to modify to a "collector" grade - but that counter bore kind of cancels out that idea - but who knows - was lots of combinations to try to do, and sooner or later someone buys it.

Was also "common" for ex-servicemen to buy former surplus milsurp guns and make up something that looked "better" for shooting a deer or a moose - and they worked very well for that - I assume was done from B.C. to Newfoundland - my Dad was in Saskatchewan when he did up the P17 that he used for decades for hunting.

Being 90% Bubba myself, that muzzle "scouring" might also be from a centre rest on a manual lathe that was dirty or not quite set up correctly - in order to support that barrel when the counter bore was reamed? But the area that you show might be 4 or 6 times as wide as my centre rest "wheels", so who knows - something was moving? Maybe nothing to do with a centre rest at all ...

There was a time - 1950's / 1960's - when those barrels likely cheap like deck screws are today - and even small town hardware stores would have stacks or barrels of complete mil-surp rifles - so at the time, was like something to "play with" - to try stuff - often did not work out well - then, today, we think is something "old" and "valuable" - was not thought that, some years ago. I have read of buildings with milsurp rifle barrels in the concrete - cheaper than re-bar at the time - or perhaps more readily available - not likely to be done today, but apparently that was an attitude toward them that some had.
 
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looking at that it looks like someone did try to clean up the end of the barrel

why... I don't know

and I don't think the cutter they used was sharp.

I don't see the counter bore but that might be the pictures. How is the bore?
 
The bore looks to be not bad when you look down it, lots of rifling. Looking at it with a bore camera shows pitting which doesn't surprise me too much.
 
Like you, I do not remember reading that "counter boring" was a military thing at all - if the rifling gets worn out at muzzle, I suspect most country's military would have condemned it? Sold off cheapish - then someone buys it and attempts to extend the life by counter boring?? Creates the effect of the "muzzle" way down inside the barrel, but keeps the exterior of the barrel looking original - I believe was done with most military caliber rifles - 30-06, 7.62x54R, 303 British, 6.5x55 and so on. So if most of the reason to do so was to preserve original exterior, then that grind / scour ahead of the bayonet lugs a bit of a mystery? Is several that I correspond with who feel the USA requirement for importer stamp on barrel "ruins" it for collection purposes, but likely of no matter to make up a "shooter" - your pictures as if someone paid for a "shooter" grade and then thought to modify to a "collector" grade - but that counter bore kind of cancels out that idea - but who knows - was lots of combinations to try to do, and sooner or later someone buys it.

Was also "common" for ex-servicemen to buy former surplus milsurp guns and make up something that looked "better" for shooting a deer or a moose - and they worked very well for that - I assume was done from B.C. to Newfoundland - my Dad was in Saskatchewan when he did up the P17 that he used for decades for hunting.

Being 90% Bubba myself, that muzzle "scouring" might also be from a centre rest on a manual lathe that was dirty or not quite set up correctly - in order to support that barrel when the counter bore was reamed? But the area that you show might be 4 or 6 times as wide as my centre rest "wheels", so who knows - something was moving? Maybe nothing to do with a centre rest at all ...

There was a time - 1950's / 1960's - when those barrels likely cheap like deck screws are today - and even small town hardware stores would have stacks or barrels of complete mil-surp rifles - so at the time, was like something to "play with" - to try stuff - often did not work out well - then, today, we think is something "old" and "valuable" - was not thought that, some years ago. I have read of buildings with milsurp rifle barrels in the concrete - cheaper than re-bar at the time - or perhaps more readily available - not likely to be done today, but apparently that was an attitude toward them that some had.

Counterboring was a nation by nation type deal. For example the Finns did a lot of it, and it worked quite well, why replace a 29” barrel on a M91 infantry rifle when you only need to counterbore 1/2”-1” back and still have 28” of rifling?

As far as I am aware (I never like to say anything for certain with Lee Enfields) Lee Enfields didn’t really receive that treatment in service, cord wear was a common issue due to the issuing of pull threws instead of cleaning rods. Barrels were mostly replaced or the rifle would be made DP.
 
Counterboring was a nation by nation type deal. For example the Finns did a lot of it, and it worked quite well, why replace a 29” barrel on a M91 infantry rifle when you only need to counterbore 1/2”-1” back and still have 28” of rifling?

As far as I am aware (I never like to say anything for certain with Lee Enfields) Lee Enfields didn’t really receive that treatment in service, cord wear was a common issue due to the issuing of pull threws instead of cleaning rods. Barrels were mostly replaced or the rifle would be made DP.

I have counter bored rifles such as Lee Enfields and Winchester lever actions that the owners have managed to damage the muzzles on. Usually it's because of a rifle stored in a "soft'' case and put away wet, with the muzzle down.

I usually suggest cutting the problem off and recrowning but in cases like lever action rifles with tubular mags out to the muzzle this isn't possible.

I did a 30-30 Mod 94 last spring with a bulge under the front sight. Lovely old pre 64 that will never leave the family and still gets hunted with regularly.

It's a cheap and efficient way of bring accuracy back to an otherwise unsatisfactory shooter.

I have a Finn M91 that's been counterbored and it shoots very well. Same for a Syrian VZ24 type Mauser that has a half inch counter bore.

I've also seen M1903 Springfield rifles that have been counter bored
 
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