30 carbine for deer

I seen people with .300 Mags miss or wound an animal them say they need an ultra-Mag? Ridicules! I have never had an animal get up or not drop with anything I used. .30 cal Carb. or 8mm. My father used his .303 his whole life, My wife’s father used his .250 savage 99, My Uncle used his 30-06 woodmaster. My favorite open field gun is my .257 Ackley I custom built.
But we always got our game.
My old Indian friend once told my, they've use the .303 & 30-30 Winchester
to drop more game that any other caliber going.
Most guns can do what we need them to when hunting. Now of course you wouldn't use a .30 Carb. For 300 yd. shooting. But in the bush, I never had a problem. As long as you can shoot strait, feel comfortable with your gun & have learned to shoot properly. You’ll be O.K.. Remember some idiots claim you can't shoot a deer with an AR-15???? Insane! I did for yrs. not problem. Just liberal yuppie crap. Do a little research, pick the gun you like, and make it work.
 
SGTMAJSTEVE said:
I seen people with .300 Mags miss or wound an animal them say they need an ultra-Mag? Ridicules! I have never had an animal get up or not drop with anything I used. .30 cal Carb. or 8mm. My father used his .303 his whole life, My wife’s father used his .250 savage 99, My Uncle used his 30-06 woodmaster. My favorite open field gun is my .257 Ackley I custom built.
But we always got our game.
My old Indian friend once told my, they've use the .303 & 30-30 Winchester
to drop more game that any other caliber going.
Most guns can do what we need them to when hunting. Now of course you wouldn't use a .30 Carb. For 300 yd. shooting. But in the bush, I never had a problem. As long as you can shoot strait, feel comfortable with your gun & have learned to shoot properly. You’ll be O.K.. Remember some idiots claim you can't shoot a deer with an AR-15???? Insane! I did for yrs. not problem. Just liberal yuppie crap. Do a little research, pick the gun you like, and make it work.
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I'm not under the delusion that the 30M1 will not kill deer, it will. But, I would certainly not recommend it for a newbie hunter, he'll have enough things to think about without worrying about the potency of the round he's firing.

Head shots? Give your head a shake! Newbie hunters and head shots don't mix! If you must hunt with such a round, take a lung shot, at short range, and broadside shots only DO NOT hit the shoulder!. That I can guarantee it will do, at least on deer.
The M1 is not IMO a proper deer hunters rifle in any way shape or form. It can be stretched to do the deed, if you pick your shots.
Can your newbie be trusted to pick those shots, when a big buck steps out?
 
John Y Cannuck said:
I'm not under the delusion that the 30M1 will not kill deer, it will. But, I would certainly not recommend it for a newbie hunter, he'll have enough things to think about without worrying about the potency of the round he's firing.

Head shots? Give your head a shake! Newbie hunters and head shots don't mix! If you must hunt with such a round, take a lung shot, at short range, and broadside shots only DO NOT hit the shoulder!. That I can guarantee it will do, at least on deer.
The M1 is not IMO a proper deer hunters rifle in any way shape or form. It can be stretched to do the deed, if you pick your shots.
Can your newbie be trusted to pick those shots, when a big buck steps out?
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You make good points. I made a 60 yrd. hit with a .30 carb. 110 soft point in the lungs. clean kill. But I've been hunting over 45 yrs. I've seen so called seasoned hunters miss close shots when taken by suprize.
A newbie should just buy a good old 30-30 winchester
and have fun.
 
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sunray said:
"...looking for 135 gr. round nose bullets..." Too long for the mag.
"...what is available in 30 carbine anyway?..." 110 grain SP's and HP's. Plus FMJ RN's. No FMJ's for deer though.
"...Paper plate size groups..." That'll do if it's every time, off hand, at 100 yards with good ammo at a 9" pie plate. However, try some different ammo. If you're not reloading, you have to try as many brands as you can to find the ammo your carbine will both shoot well and cycle the action. If you are reloading, work up a load using 110 grain bullets with IMR4227.
"...was supposed to duplicate..." Nope. It was to replace the handgun issued to troopies who either didn't need or couldn't carry a rifle. Radops, drivers, arty types and officers mostly. It's easier to teach a non-shooter to shoot a carbine well than it is a pistol. A medium handgun round it isn't.
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I wanted to 135 gr. round nose for my Mini 30
 
The 30/30 is a much more powerful cartridge then the .30 carbine, over twice as much energy at the muzzle and 3 times as much at 100 yds....You can not compare the two, the only ones that compare are the 32/20, 25/20, and the smaller bore pistol carts. Sometimes one uses "sectional density" to determine penetration, here to, a figure of .166 for the .30 carbines 110gr. doesn't come close to the .256 of the 30/30 170gr. I don't like to trot out these paper figures but I want to discourage anyone out there from wounding game when there are far better carts. out there.
 
Why use piece of junk like that? Milsurp pistol round machinegun more suited for shooting pop cans than anything. :rolleyes:



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I'm not under the delusion that the 30M1 will not kill deer, it will. But, I would certainly not recommend it for a newbie hunter, he'll have enough things to think about without worrying about the potency of the round he's firing.

Head shots? Give your head a shake! Newbie hunters and head shots don't mix! If you must hunt with such a round, take a lung shot, at short range, and broadside shots only DO NOT hit the shoulder!. That I can guarantee it will do, at least on deer.
The M1 is not IMO a proper deer hunters rifle in any way shape or form. It can be stretched to do the deed, if you pick your shots.
Can your newbie be trusted to pick those shots, when a big buck steps out?

SGTMAJSTEVE said:
You make good points. I made a 60 yrd. hit with a .30 carb. 110 soft point in the lungs. clean kill. But I've been hunting over 45 yrs. I've seen so called seasoned hunters miss close shots when taken by suprize.
A newbie should just buy a good old 30-30 winchester
and have fun.
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The thread was NOT "can an experienced hunter kill a deer w/a 30Carbine"
It was ".30 Carbine for deer" with questions like
"will it penetrate the scull. If I hit it of course." :eek:
& "M1 carbine is for my kid "

joe-nwt: You hit the nail right on the head..I agree.
 
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Another nonsense thread.

Many years hunting obviously does not automatically qualify someone as a person who can make sensible choices for hunting.

If you only have one deer gun and can't lend him an extra that is adequate (and the M1 is not), buy him a Lee Enfield Sporter for $150. Then teach the kid how to shoot it well.
 
^^^ LE sporter - that was a mistake giving it to my kid, he became a little gun shy after firing just a few shots. That thing is noisy and kicks uncomfy even for me. I like Enfields and have three of them but it is hardly a first gun for little fellow. I have SKS coming as well, whenever Frontier Taxidermy brings them in. So, shall I say case closed. I still look forward to try M1 carbine and see what you guys were talking about.
 
"...wanted to 135 gr. round nose for my Mini 30..." May not fit the Mini's mag either. You're going to have to go to a custom cast bullet. None of the usual bullet makers(Hornady, Speer, Sierra) make a jacketed 135 grain RN. Not many 135 grain bullets period. Sierra makes a .308" Matchking, but it's a HPBT.
I wouldn't think twice about using my carbine with my handloads for deer, if the twits in Ottawa would get over the restricted rifle thing. I'd trust it before I trusted the poor sights on an SKS. Like everything else, it's about shot placement. Bambi isn't going far with a hole the size of a grapefruit in his lungs. If he runs at all. Mind you, I'm not a new shooter.
 
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Sunray, I am not reloading but thinking about it. 308 - is it the same bullet diameter? And why can't you use HPBT? What kind of velocities are possible out of 19" barrel with maximum load and 135gr bullets? I understand hollow point bullets lack penetration - can it be improved? I have heard about some experiments with filling cavities with wax to improve airdynamics and expansion rate, will it work?
 
Stay away from that 30 carbine!!!
He is a young hunter, who should be given the equipment most effective to ensure the success.
You're giving him a minimally competent rifle that needs to be shot buy a maximally competent shooter to be effective.

go for a 3030
 
sealhunter, I am getting SKS so I guess that is what he is going to get. If not SKS than I also have 6.5x55 (G42) - that will do for sure. G42 is a bit too long and bulky for kid to carry it in a bush though, but it is great caliber and accurate rifle. Regarding M1 carbine - I bought it already, done deal. I will toy with it for a while and see if I myself will like it or should I stick to my beloved JC.
 
Definitely. Practice with it yourself, so you vcan guide him when the opportunity strikes. You might find 100 yrds is pushing it but a 50 yrd shot might present itself.

I am very bised, but a little lever 30 30 goes a long way.
But like the 30 30 and the 30 carbine, everything is good if you respect your range.
 
sunray said:
"...wanted to 135 gr. round nose for my Mini 30..." May not fit the Mini's mag either. You're going to have to go to a custom cast bullet. None of the usual bullet makers(Hornady, Speer, Sierra) make a jacketed 135 grain RN. Not many 135 grain bullets period. Sierra makes a .308" Matchking, but it's a HPBT.
I wouldn't think twice about using my carbine with my handloads for deer, if the twits in Ottawa would get over the restricted rifle thing. I'd trust it before I trusted the poor sights on an SKS. Like everything else, it's about shot placement. Bambi isn't going far with a hole the size of a grapefruit in his lungs. If he runs at all. Mind you, I'm not a new shooter.
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I've been doing a little testing. nothing diffinitve yet. what I'm trying to do is reduce deflection by using a round or flat point bullet in the bush. Now keep in mind I'm talking 75 rds. or less.
But isn't that the fun of reloading & testing?

22lr That 30 carb. will be a fun gun for your boy. my father got me going on one after I moved up from the old .22.
It's not the best gun for 200 yrd shooting (now was ever intented too), but a fun gun for a young lad to get into the bush with.
And it will drop a deer. I have done it many times.

But the point was made of a 30-30. it too is a very good choice,
they make 16" barrel models.
Ever looked at a Mini 30? It's just a little heaver than a 30 carb.
but more potent.
But your son will have fun with what ever you give him I'm sure.
I learned to shoot whatever my father put in front of me & had a great
time at it too.
 
.30 carbine has and always will be a marginal round at best. It didn't work particularly well in Korea against the Chineese with heavy winter gear on, and isn't particularly suited to big game hunting. If you must keep your shots to 50 yards or under (shouldn't be a problem in the bush), and avoid heavy bone structure like shoulders and SKULLS. Why not treat junior to an entry level .243 or something like that. If recoil is an issue maybe he needs to shoot more (with all applicable ppe), or grow some more.
 
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