Like my Siberian a lot

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I am a very experienced shooter (55 years plus) with an extensive collection of firearms, a lot of civilian shooting experience and time with the Royal Canadian Artillery. With a bunch of firearms in the Liberal sin bin I decided to buy a semi auto 223 while I still could. Despite mixed reviews I chose the Siberian. Took it to the range for the first time and shot 100 rounds Winchester white box 55 grn FMJ using the factory supplied mag. Used an Elcan c79 from one of my ARs. Here are my conclusions:

Negatives:
- long creepy trigger, but its not a precision rifle and you can't expect a 4lb crisp release
- should come from factory with a muzzle brake
- the recess in the bottom of the front hand guard limits placement of some accessories

Positives:
- No failures/problems at all. Ate all 100 rounds perfectly (I know thats a low number but so far so good)
- More accurate than I expected. Under 2 inches at 100 yard and 3 of us could hit a 4' gong at 200 yards every time
- No mag over insertion issues (but then again I don't ram the magazine home)
- Nice rifle to shoot ergonomically and looks good
- Took home and field stripped for cleaning. Very little fouling inside and no signs of unusual wear

Maybe I got lucky but as with my 102 so far I like this rifle a lot.
 
Well. i would certainly hope there would be no signs of unusual wear and very little fouling after 100 rounds. In the same way you would hope there would be no need to change the oil on a new car after you drove it home from the dealership.
 
Do you think Americans would mock us for what is in their eyes, essentially a 3-magazine review?

But thanks for sharing, and keep us updated!
 
Mine and a few others that I know of who own them have also shot with no real issues. Mine is only just around 650 rounds, and shoots about 1,1/2" @100 with loads it likes. (that's with a little 1-4LPVO, I'm sure if I dropped an accurate scope on it I could shoot tighter)
But I just use it as a fun rapid fire gong ringer at 100 and 300...
 
Bratwurst said:
it's why everyone mocks canadian gun owners, even europeans
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Your constant comments are annoying and not productive.

It's not about the Siberian, but in general, your comments are very unqualified and have no place in a forum like this. This should be a place for fun and helping out each other, not for bashing.

Give it a break, move on.

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What you are doing now is disruptive and essentially trolling.
 
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fritzhanzel said:
Your constant comments are annoying and not productive.

It's not about the Siberian, but in general, your comments are very unqualified and have no place in a forum like this. This should be a place for fun and helping out each other, not for bashing.

Give it a break, move on.

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What you are doing now is disruptive and essentially trolling.
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Well isn't this the pot calling the kettle black here, given your very productive comments on the other siberian post......
 
MrMeatShower said:
Well isn't this the pot calling the kettle black here, given your very productive comments on the other siberian post......
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The very first response to the OP's positive report of his rifle's performance to date seemed like a jab.... not sure if the OP was part of some previous beef between the BCL haters and lovers that would justify it, or if Bratwurst has an ax to grind with anything Siberian?

I'll let Bratwurst speak to his own reasons for posting the initial jab about 100 rounds being good to go, right after reading the OP's post pointing out the low round count so far..... and the follow up post about everyone mocking Canadian gun owners for some reason.

Some of you guys were upset about the "free advice" your youtube review received... I would think you'd be more supportive with others posting their own reviews.

People reportedly shooting decent groups with no malfunctions to speak of for 100-600 rounds is not the worst news i've heard today.
 
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Can-down said:
The very first response to the OP's positive report of his rifle's performance to date seemed like a jab.... not sure if the OP was part of some previous beef between the BCL haters and lovers that would justify it, or if Bratwurst has an ax to grind with anything Siberian?

I'll let Bratwurst speak to his own reasons for posting the initial jab and follow up post about 100 rounds being the Cdn standard or what ever his point is.

Some of you guys were upset about the "free advice" your youtube review received... I would think you'd be more supportive with others posting their own reviews.

People reportedly shooting decent groups with no malfunctions to speak of for 100-600 rounds is not the worst news i've heard today.
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I'd say the hypocrisy is quite frustrating. I am not discounting the OPs review. What he posted was his experience. Although in my opinion (and quite a few others would agree), 100 rounds is not a lot of ammo nor is it enough rounds to get a true feel of what the rifle can and will do when it comes to reliability or characteristics. But the community seems to praise that type of review for some reason, even though there is no real evidence that the test/review even took place. Techninally it's just hear/say. I will admit though, that I don't deny the dude went out and shot 100 rounds with no failure. But someone posts a video showing each and every failure that a rifle has in a stress test and the community instantly tries to discount it or call it fake or find a way to discredit it, even though it was all caught in 60fps-1080p for all to see. I am well aware not all will like the presentation or personalities displayed in the video. But every single round sent through the rifle was filmed as was every failure.

But for some dude who was leaving comments like "Do a Bren 2 and I will you serious" or "no monie" or " always love new user accounts claiming to be experts." and then make a post saying "
What you are doing now is disruptive and essentially trolling.".........bruh pick up the phone because the pot is calling you with some information on colour.
 
Kind of what I expected in terms of replies. Yes I can assure you that I actually did this Sunday 02 Oct 2023 at the Juan de Fuca range near Victoria.

And yes I did state exactly how many rounds I shot and what type of ammo and also stated "so far I like this rifle a lot" Of course things may change over time.

I also wonder if the detractors are actual owners with first hand experience. They never seem to start off like I did with a little bit of my background so you may be able to judge if my opinions have any validity whatsoever.
 
MrMeatShower said:
I'd say the hypocrisy is quite frustrating. I am not discounting the OPs review. What he posted was his experience. Although in my opinion (and quite a few others would agree), 100 rounds is not a lot of ammo nor is it enough rounds to get a true feel of what the rifle can and will do when it comes to reliability or characteristics. But the community seems to praise that type of review for some reason, even though there is no real evidence that the test/review even took place. Techninally it's just hear/say. I will admit though, that I don't deny the dude went out and shot 100 rounds with no failure. But someone posts a video showing each and every failure that a rifle has in a stress test and the community instantly tries to discount it or call it fake or find a way to discredit it, even though it was all caught in 60fps-1080p for all to see. I am well aware not all will like the presentation or personalities displayed in the video. But every single round sent through the rifle was filmed as was every failure.

But for some dude who was leaving comments like "Do a Bren 2 and I will you serious" or "no monie" or " always love new user accounts claiming to be experts." and then make a post saying "
What you are doing now is disruptive and essentially trolling.".........bruh pick up the phone because the pot is calling you with some information on colour.
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Maybe you should change the mirror in your house.

You disregard what everybody else is saying about their experience.

Your fb page and "reviews" state that you want to protect Canadian gun owners from Canadian manufacturers. Then you bash them all at very corner. It really appears that you have a beef with them.

Yes, you don't have money to do the proper testing of all the rifles in the field, you don't set the parameters up front for testing, you are using an obviously faulty rifle *which was repaired, so you say) and test it again.

Then brother Bratwurst mocks a guy for shooting 100 rounds without problems, in the other thread there are many more posts from others who mentioned that they shot between 650 and 2,000 round without problems but you pick the one who shot 100 and Braty makes his usual comments.

I remember Bratwurst was banned before for making similar disruptive and annoying comments in this subforum, now he is back and starts again.

disclaimer: I do not own a BCL Siberian
 
fritzhanzel said:
Maybe you should change the mirror in your house.

You disregard what everybody else is saying about their experience.

Your fb page and "reviews" state that you want to protect Canadian gun owners from Canadian manufacturers. Then you bash them all at very corner. It really appears that you have a beef with them.

Yes, you don't have money to do the proper testing of all the rifles in the field, you don't set the parameters up front for testing, you are using an obviously faulty rifle *which was repaired, so you say) and test it again.

Then brother Bratwurst mocks a guy for shooting 100 rounds without problems, in the other thread there are many more posts from others who mentioned that they shot between 650 and 2,000 round without problems but you pick the one who shot 100 and Braty makes his usual comments.

I remember Bratwurst was banned before for making similar disruptive and annoying comments in this subforum, now he is back and starts again.

disclaimer: I do not own a BCL Siberian
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How have I disregarded what other people have said? Please show some quotes, not interpretations. I literally just said I am not discounting this person's review. "I am not discounting the OPs review. What he posted was his experience"

As for my FB page and reviews, if you could find and show me where I say that I want to "protect Canadian gun owners from Canadian manufacturers", that'd be rad. Because I don't think I have ever said or posted that. It sounds like you're putting words in my mouth that I have no record or memory of saying. I have sang the praises of some Canadian manufacturers on quite a few occasions, like Sterling Arms, SBI, and Cadex and the work they're doing. I do however take grievance with manufacturers that are pushing out products that clearly aren't ready for the market. Why does Kodiak just keep sending out the same pistons that break instead of actually fixing the issue? Insert "definition of insanity here"

We did set the parameters. "Can this rifle shoot 1000 rounds through it? And can it do so reliably?". As for using an "obviously faulty rifle", why are rifles leaving not only the warranty department in a faulty condition, but why would they even leave the factory floor like that? Why is that not worrying people? If this was any other product in the world like a TV or a vehicle or game console, this would have made quite a few people angry at the manufacturer. Why do Canadian firearms manufacturers get a pass? I would be more than happy to burn through another 1,000 rounds and see how it went if BCL was willing to send a rifle.
 
Hey OP
I really like mine too, pretty accurate for what it is at 100meters. Mine has about 400rounds down range so far without a hiccup. The only thing I did to mine was drop a triggertech duty 3lb trigger pack in it, feels much better now. Sad to see so much hate and bias towards this rifle.
 
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