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Hey everyone!

I was wondering if anyone could offer some clarification on the Métis Nation of Ontario's harvester's card. I am in the Mattawa/Nipissing region and want to know if we are able to hunt whatever we want (within reason) or only what's allowed as per the WMU but we just don't need tags.

Also, do we have to submit a hunter's report?
 
I am not Metis but i am somewhat familiar with them from work.

Contact your Captain of the hunt. Their contact info can be found on the Metis Nation of Ontario website.
 
Kenny_G2 said:
I am not Metis but i am somewhat familiar with them from work.

Contact your Captain of the hunt. Their contact info can be found on the Metis Nation of Ontario website.
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yes..... this^^^^
Here in BC we can apply for a harvesters card. It means nothing though as BC talks the big talk on "truth and reconcilliation" but refuses to uphold our rights so we have to buy tags and licenses and hunt what's availlable in the open seasons. Even if I have a letter from a first nations band council giving me permission to harvest a moose on thier settled territory..... I will be charged by BC's ministy of wildlife.
Make sure you check and clarify what your rights are and where you can exercise them. If I moved to my dad's ancestral land in alberta I would have those rights recognized but each province has worked these things out according to what works for that province. Really, Canadian Metis should have hunting and fishing rights that do not recognize Provincial borders and thier wildlife MU's. As a people we traditionally moved across the land and these lines and boundaries created by the government's should not apply to our harvesting rights as a people...... but I digress.
 
45ACPKING said:
yes..... this^^^^
Here in BC we can apply for a harvesters card. It means nothing though as BC talks the big talk on "truth and reconcilliation" but refuses to uphold our rights so we have to buy tags and licenses and hunt what's availlable in the open seasons. Even if I have a letter from a first nations band council giving me permission to harvest a moose on thier settled territory..... I will be charged by BC's ministy of wildlife.
Make sure you check and clarify what your rights are and where you can exercise them. If I moved to my dad's ancestral land in alberta I would have those rights recognized but each province has worked these things out according to what works for that province. Really, Canadian Metis should have hunting and fishing rights that do not recognize Provincial borders and thier wildlife MU's. As a people we traditionally moved across the land and these lines and boundaries created by the government's should not apply to our harvesting rights as a people...... but I digress.
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I applaud your province for making everyone buy tags and follow seasons. That’s actually great to hear.

Around here it’s a free for all for natives as they hunt and fish wherever and whenever they want. Many times over the years we’ve come across natives hunting public land with up to 10 people pushing bush using centerfire rifles. Which doesn’t seem bad or unfair until you realize they do this in small 50-200 acre lots, essentially taking all of the deer that reside in these lots. What makes it even better is when this is archery only seasons in areas where rifles are never permitted for deer.

Same deal happens with moose.

How about walleye and trout snagging and spearing during closed seasons in areas where fishing is prohibited? They do make good money selling the fish, but I’m sure they aren’t exactly helping the fish by taking so many spammers full of eggs. It’s disgusting going to spawning pools to view trout, salmon and walleye reproducing just to arrive and see natives snagging and spearing obvious spawners.


Here’s to hoping your province continues to treat everyone as equals.
 
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canadian hunter312 said:
I applaud your province for making everyone buy tags and follow seasons. That’s actually great to hear.

Around here it’s a free for all for natives as they hunt and fish wherever and whenever they want. Many times over the years we’ve come across natives hunting public land with up to 10 people pushing bush using centerfire rifles. Which doesn’t seem bad or unfair until you realize they do this in small 50-200 acre lots, essentially taking all of the deer that reside in these lots. What makes it even better is when this is archery only seasons in areas where rifles are never permitted for deer.

Same deal happens with moose.

How about walleye and trout snagging and spearing during closed seasons in areas where fishing is prohibited? They do make good money selling the fish, but I’m sure they aren’t exactly helping the fish by taking so many spammers full of eggs. It’s disgusting going to spawning pools to view trout, salmon and walleye reproducing just to arrive and see natives snagging and spearing obvious spawners.


Here’s to hoping your province continues to treat everyone as equals.
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Only Metis have to buy tags.

Otherwise (for BC resident Status members) BC is a free for all like everywhere else. A few band members in the mid and northern regions have told their leaders to pound sand when they were asked not to harvest moose due to shortages.

If hunting on their traditional territory then don't have to follow any hunting regs either. So jacklighting is fair game, no quotas or bag limits, etc.
 
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45ACPKING said:
yes..... this^^^^
Here in BC we can apply for a harvesters card. It means nothing though as BC talks the big talk on "truth and reconcilliation" but refuses to uphold our rights so we have to buy tags and licenses and hunt what's availlable in the open seasons. Even if I have a letter from a first nations band council giving me permission to harvest a moose on thier settled territory..... I will be charged by BC's ministy of wildlife.
Make sure you check and clarify what your rights are and where you can exercise them. If I moved to my dad's ancestral land in alberta I would have those rights recognized but each province has worked these things out according to what works for that province. Really, Canadian Metis should have hunting and fishing rights that do not recognize Provincial borders and thier wildlife MU's. As a people we traditionally moved across the land and these lines and boundaries created by the government's should not apply to our harvesting rights as a people...... but I digress.
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Only the far northern part of BC is considered traditional Metis territory. You have no special rights in the Maritimes either as it's not traditional Metis territory, same deal.
 
bearkilr said:
Only the far northern part of BC is considered traditional Metis territory. You have no special rights in the Maritimes either as it's not traditional Metis territory, same deal.
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Historic Metis Settlements existed elsewhere in BC , it is just that the BC government refuses to recognize the whole of Metis territory in BC. Has been that way since the beginning of this country's history.
Whatever, I'm not crying about it. I don't have any issues with the costs of license and tags.
I am sick and tired of hearing all the lip service paid to recognizing Indigenous rights and territory under so-called "truth and reconcilliation" ...... that only matters if you are first nations.
The Maretimes were never part of the traditional lands of the Metis peoples so is why there are no "metis considerations" there. The entire Rocky Mountain corridor was used by the metis people and that includes the Peace region all the way down into the USA , following the rockies. My traditional lands would be those associated with the Saddle Lake region of Alberta and if I moved there, I would have treaty 6 rights on the land. Treaty 6 bears the signature of my ancestor Chief Little Hunter. I was born and raised in BC though.
 
45ACPKING said:
Historic Metis Settlements existed elsewhere in BC , it is just that the BC government refuses to recognize the whole of Metis territory in BC. Has been that way since the beginning of this country's history.
Whatever, I'm not crying about it. I don't have any issues with the costs of license and tags.
I am sick and tired of hearing all the lip service paid to recognizing Indigenous rights and territory under so-called "truth and reconcilliation" ...... that only matters if you are first nations.
The Maretimes were never part of the traditional lands of the Metis peoples so is why there are no "metis considerations" there. The entire Rocky Mountain corridor was used by the metis people and that includes the Peace region all the way down into the USA , following the rockies. My traditional lands would be those associated with the Saddle Lake region of Alberta and if I moved there, I would have treaty 6 rights on the land. Treaty 6 bears the signature of my ancestor Chief Little Hunter. I was born and raised in BC though.
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It's not the BC Government that's refusing to recognize it.

MMF supports First Nations in denouncing Métis colonialism in British Columbia
June 28, 2023

Winnipeg, MB, in the National Homeland of the Red River Métis - Recently, Union of BC Indian Chiefs (UBCIC) and the First Nations Summit (FNS) passed mirrored Resolutions, which BC Assembly of First Nations will consider at their next assembly, (linked below). Among other things, these Resolutions deny the claims made by Métis Nation of BC (MNBC) and BC Métis Federation (BCMF) that they possess collective and constitutionally protected rights to harvest within BC, and their assertions that self-determining and self-governing Métis communities historically existed and continue to exist within the interior and coast of BC. UBCIC and FNS went so far as to call the claims "false, unfounded, and deeply offensive".

History has shown that, to date, our traditional territory exists within the Historic Northwest, and this we can prove without a doubt. MMF has had a dialogue with the First Nations in BC and understand the struggles they face in BC. The Red River Métis commits that we will not make attempts to lay claim to traditional territory beyond the Rockies - as there is no proof of any such claim existing - and we wish to express that we respect the sovereignty that the First Nations in BC have over their ancestorial lands.

The MMF also disavows the colonial and invasive positions statements being made by these so-called Métis organizations in BC and stands in support of the First Nations as they vigorously fight to protect their traditional territories from illegitimate claims made by outsiders. Our People settled there after effective control, and there is no evidence we are aware of that can say otherwise.

The Red River Métis is a distinct collectivity with a vibrant and well-documented history filled with struggles, triumphs, and sacrifices throughout our Red River Métis Homeland. Although we may have common histories, as allies and adversaries, with First Nations, we are the distinct Indigenous People historically known as Lii Michif, la Nouvelle Nation, and Manitoba Métis. We have our own identity, language, culture, institutions, and way of life throughout the Historic Northwest. We stand proud and are not part of any other Indigenous Collectivity.

As an Indigenous People, the Red River Métis have had and continue to have inherent rights of self-government, which extend to those living outside our Homeland and extend beyond arbitrary and artificial colonial borders that are not of our making and not of our choosing.

The MMF wholeheartedly denounces the wrongful assertions made by MNBC and BCMF based on their misunderstanding of law, history, and identity. As of this release, there is no credible written evidence, nor oral traditions from our families, of established and continuous Red River Métis settlements beyond the Rockies.

The Red River Métis Homeland does not extend beyond the Rockies, and the Red River Métis do not have claim to territories outside our Homeland. Rather, the MMF is hoping to work with the First Nations in BC to negotiate a sheltering protocol that individual Nations may sign onto that will respect their inherent laws.

The MMF looks forward to having meaningful and respectful dialogue with First Nations in BC to work together and understand how our relevant Red River Métis rights outside our Homeland can co-exist in their province in a manner that upholds both First Nations and Red River Métis long-standing inherent, constitutional, and human rights, as well as the systems of governance, titles, jurisdictions, and laws of the First Nations in BC.

https://www.mmf.mb.ca/news/mmf-supp...ouncing-metis-colonialism-in-british-columbia
 
Historic Metis Settlements existed elsewhere in BC
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Lol this fairy tale again

Metis and "Cree" communities in NE BC are refugees from the NW Uprising. You can claim fake news all you want but this all occurred during recorded history
 
conor_90 said:
Lol this fairy tale again

Metis and "Cree" communities in NE BC are refugees from the NW Uprising. You can claim fake news all you want but this all occurred during recorded history
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ya.... okay then.... and recorded history always favors the crown...... or the church.
I'm not here to debate with you , it's mostly pointless.
 
Georgian Pistol said:
Can someone explain how the Métis existed before ‘the white man’ came to North America
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Are you being stupid on purpose? Metis existed before the crown came to our land. You can start your research by reading about the French coming here and then read about Red River Saskatchewan. Unless for some reason you think the British and French are the same. Then you have bigger problems.


OP, if you are a registered Metis email or phone your organization. Maybe indigenous Jim can give you an answer, lol!
 
Wait if you go to Fort Nelson and camp in the forestry camp ground, be prepared to be shot around. I have never seen so many spot lights on a single vehicle. Sorry if this is of topic but I have lived it.
I give those that have the right to get their animal. But a free for all to rot on the trampoline is beyond my acceptance.
A few whisky's in.
 
tigrr said:
Wait if you go to Fort Nelson and camp in the forestry camp ground, be prepared to be shot around. I have never seen so many spot lights on a single vehicle. Sorry if this is of topic but I have lived it.
I give those that have the right to get their animal. But a free for all to rot on the trampoline is beyond my acceptance.
A few whisky's in.
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Fort nelson BC? Metis in BC have no hunting rights besides not needing a migratory bird license IF they have the Metis harvester card.
 
RightWingIndian said:
Are you being stupid on purpose? Metis existed before the crown came to our land. You can start your research by reading about the French coming here and then read about Red River Saskatchewan. Unless for some reason you think the British and French are the same. Then you have bigger problems.
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Probably not a good idea calling someone stupid while coming across as such. Without the French(white) spreading their genes, the metis wouldn't exist.
 
bearkilr said:
Probably not a good idea calling someone stupid while coming across as such. Without the French(white) spreading their genes, the metis wouldn't exist.
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No kidding. Metis have never claimed any different. That's what our IDENTITY is based on. So what is pistol trying to get at?

I can assume it's a jab as to why Metis have different rights and I've explained it above.
 
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