well, either that or alexander arms did it to make grendel more proprietary to support their patent. choose your internet mythology. anyways, no intent to hijack thread, just wanted to correct the fact that you can make a grendel gun with an x39 bolt; whether it is the best soln is a different conversation for a different thread.
Lockhart Tactical Raven Platinum Edition, .223 Wylde
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well, either that or alexander arms did it to make grendel more proprietary to support their patent. choose your internet mythology. anyways, no intent to hijack thread, just wanted to correct the fact that you can make a grendel gun with an x39 bolt; whether it is the best soln is a different conversation for a different thread.
Look on the bright side - at least you got to hear about it on the internet. I could have just as easily remained silent and dealt with Lockhart behind the scenes. But then you'd never hear about the CEO of the company calling me on a Saturday afternoon to rectify the issue, eiither. I believe in honesty when it comes to reporting on my experiences with new (to me) firearms, both the good and the bad.
To summarize, I think that the Raven is going to be a stellar rifle, but in my particular case (and others) there are teething problems which must first be overcome.
If I get one it will be after stellar review and with the gen 3 upper. Ive handle one and it felt VERY good. But im extremly cautious with canadian made rifle.
Also we should know the faith of the oic before the end of the month. So maybe ar will be back on the menu but I dont put to much hope there.
Also if atrs win their case, the modern sporter will be another good option to consider. Given the choice Ill probably go with a MS.
Im also waiting for a review of their 308 variant of the raven. So far ive seen nothing anywhere, yet you can buy one on their website.
Also we should know the faith of the oic before the end of the month. So maybe ar will be back on the menu but I dont put to much hope there.
Also if atrs win their case, the modern sporter will be another good option to consider. Given the choice Ill probably go with a MS.
Im also waiting for a review of their 308 variant of the raven. So far ive seen nothing anywhere, yet you can buy one on their website.
You cannot yet order a .308 Raven. It shows as "Sold Out" and "Contact Us for More Details". The .308 is still under development so far as anybody knows. Arrival is to be announced.
Thanks for the info, all! With the Raven, the bolt carrier is proprietary, not the bolt housing/extractor/bolt, which is standard AR, right? If that is the case, you should be able to use a Grendel or ARC specific bolt assembly, correct?
I wonder what bolt the Zastava M19 MCS uses, as the following video states it only requires a barrel and magazine change to go from 7.62x39 mm to 6.5 MM Grendel:
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Oh absolutely, thanks again for posting all the info.
We'll find out soon enough if these are simply teething problems of an excellent (but new) mechanical design, or symptoms of a poor mechanical design and/or poor manufacturing process.
Just for context, is there a thread anywhere with info on how they worked up the design, and prototype testing?
No doubt - But I'd be extremely cautious with any rifle that hasn't been thoroughly tested before being released to the market. Unfortunately, this does seem to be pretty common with Canadian made firearms in particular.
There's no question, the ATRS Modern Sporter was an exception to the above - Designed and tested by people who clearly knew what they were doing at every stage of the process.
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Great reporting in here. Thanks Bartok.
Ustauk - the Raven uses a standard AR bolt, so it's multi-cal like a Modern Sporter, AR etc. You can build whatever you want as long as you can find the barrel and an AR bolt that headspaces to it.
If the Zastava uses a standard AR bolt you'd just need a type 1 grendel barrel and mag. Only potential issue is going to be finding a barrel maker that makes a barrel for a type 1 bolt. I've had grendel AR barrels from Odin, MRA and IBI so far. Back when I had the MRA and IBI barrels spun up I was called by both to make sure I was going to be running a type 2 bolt. At that point in time they didn't make grendel barrels that headspaced on a type 1 bolt. Its been a few years so maybe that's changed. If you want a type 1 grendel barrel, one shop that can likely make it happen is ATRS.
If the Zastava uses a standard AR bolt you'd just need a type 1 grendel barrel and mag. Only potential issue is going to be finding a barrel maker that makes a barrel for a type 1 bolt. I've had grendel AR barrels from Odin, MRA and IBI so far. Back when I had the MRA and IBI barrels spun up I was called by both to make sure I was going to be running a type 2 bolt. At that point in time they didn't make grendel barrels that headspaced on a type 1 bolt. Its been a few years so maybe that's changed. If you want a type 1 grendel barrel, one shop that can likely make it happen is ATRS.
Interesting account Bartok. I Just picked one up used yesterday and am about to test it in the cold. Will report back how I fare. Based on the owners account it ran absolutely fine. For my self, The feel is very AR which I like. Much better than the 180s and dare I say Better balanced than a Bren.
But thats if it works, I'm going to run a bunch of mags tonight and report back
But thats if it works, I'm going to run a bunch of mags tonight and report back
Anodized then CeraKoted according to their literature.
In other news, Samuel Lockhart mentioned today in an email that all new Raven 5.56mm Barrels from this point forward will have a Mid-length Gas System as opposed to a Rifle-length system. Presumably to provide longer dwell-time for gas to flow through and actuate the DI system.
That's good to hear. They didn't cut corners like BCL.
Re-read my post. It came directly from Samuel Lockhart to me via email, as he was wondering if I needed a mid-length gas system sent out with my new mid-length barrel.
