antique shotgun value?

[canvasback]

Yes the market overseas was hit hard with the lead ban...
But go on intersurplus website and see prices of their old sxs guns
They are importing here at a fraction of their retail .. Got make $ to keep the
Lights on...those old english...belgian and german guns...and swedish
Guns...are highly prized here and reload components and tools are avail.
I spoke to a friend in UK...he said my Army & Navy i own now.
Damascus sidleock upland gun in beautiful cond...would be worthless
There since the ban...maybe 500$..... Intersurplus has the same gun
Right now..for over 3200$... And one lesser quality for 1800$...so there must
Be a market...its that people arent spending...and they are keeping stuff they have.
However... I did post in my add id accept trades...maybe someone picked
Up a nice rifle for 500 or 600 but valued at 1800/2000...it happens, and they offer it
As a trade...so...i take the gun...and he capitalizes on his investment
And i feel a fair trades been done...everyone wins.... Or add small cash diff.
That i have here with gold inlays on a hardware gun...someone ordered this gun this way..
I assure you gold inlay wasn't a 50 cent option on a 15$ gun in 1880s..
Its just an oddity and as ive said...if it dont sell...ill keep loading ammo for it
And use it.
Im an honest person and i know its not a parker A1 special.... But...find me another 1 like it.

HR, I'm sorry to say this but you are working very hard to prove me right. I don't doubt that you are honest, or that the gun is unique and in incredible relative condition. I don't doubt that you have great feedback. But you aren't hearing what I'm saying and others have said and implied. Neumann Bros guns aren't collected. They don't command top dollar.

How do I know this? Because I have been learning about, researching and collecting vintage SxS for 20 years. I don't buy rifles or any modern guns. I don't buy handguns. I don't buy O/U. I only focus on vintage SxS. I'm in regular contact with collectors across NA. I share correspondence with people who do the research and write the definite books of different makers......lIke Charles Semmer who wrote the bible on Remington SxS. I trade emails with people like Diggory Hadoke of England who publishes The Vintage Gun Journal. I know many of the contributors to the now defunct Double Gun Journal. Probably the main reason I know as much as i do about vintage double guns is because, for the last 20 years, when I ran across someone who, for whatever reason seemed to know more than me about something, I stopped talking and started listening. As much as i have learned, I still don't count myself as an expert. I still pay close attention and try to learn from others. There is a lot to know. But I do know some things.

 

[HUNTERROD]

Hey guy.... Not sure if you noticed gold inlaid breeches... Wanna slander me on here...ill report you for misconduct on here which is violation of forum rules.... What About guys asking 1000$ now for 50$ misin nagants? Go slam them...go see the markets now ...plain simple
Layoff your half whit remarks go check out used cars... Cars that were 500$ are now 5000$
Go find me same gun as mine in same cond...welll guess what...you cant...it was a special
Ordered gun...so if you read my add...ive had it looked at by 3 collectors
" though a basic hammer dbl...its cond is quite unheard of, also the gold inlays are very intriguing
Putting this gun in a class if its own and value of its own above the rest of its type "
Those were the words of one gent i showed it to...

Why dont you go see the 5800$ parker thats worth 1500$ in the forums
Go bring his gun up...or the 1500$ marlin midel 336 because its a jm stamp..
I bought 1 new for 599 at canadian tire 8 yrs ago....GUESS WHAT MARKETS CHANGED
the days of 9$ 410 shells are over ...now its 45 $....do you see a trend here....

This is in regards to comment. ( cape breton water )

 

[HUNTERROD]

The drinking water in Cape Breton is probably half his issue.

Keep commenting derogatory comments on this thread.if u dont like it...dont look at it
Move on....plain simple...ive no problem reporting people on here
For violations in conduct..with snide and rude remarks.
You guys are keyboard warriors.

 

[HUNTERROD]

HR, I'm sorry to say this but you are working very hard to prove me right. I don't doubt that you are honest, or that the gun is unique and in incredible relative condition. I don't doubt that you have great feedback. But you aren't hearing what I'm saying and others have said and implied. Neumann Bros guns aren't collected. They don't command top dollar.

How do I know this? Because I have been learning about, researching and collecting vintage SxS for 20 years. I don't buy rifles or any modern guns. I don't buy handguns. I don't buy O/U. I only focus on vintage SxS. I'm in regular contact with collectors across NA. I share correspondence with people who do the research and write the definite books of different makers......lIke Charles Semmer who wrote the bible on Remington SxS. I trade emails with people like Diggory Hadoke of England who publishes The Vintage Gun Journal. I know many of the contributors to the now defunct Double Gun Journal. Probably the main reason I know as much as i do about vintage double guns is because, for the last 20 years, when I ran across someone who, for whatever reason seemed to know more than me about something, I stopped talking and started listening. As much as i have learned, I still don't count myself as an expert. I still pay close attention and try to learn from others. There is a lot to know. But I do know some things.

Unique ..cond...unheard of...id call that collectible

 

[canvasback]

Hey guy.... Not sure if you noticed gold inlaid breeches... Wanna slander me on here...ill report you for misconduct on here which is violation of forum rules.... What About guys asking 1000$ now for 50$ misin nagants? Go slam them...go see the markets now ...plain simple
Layoff your half whit remarks go check out used cars... Cars that were 500$ are now 5000$
Go find me same gun as mine in same cond...welll guess what...you cant...it was a special
Ordered gun...so if you read my add...ive had it looked at by 3 collectors
" though a basic hammer dbl...its cond is quite unheard of, also the gold inlays are very intriguing
Putting this gun in a class if its own and value of its own above the rest of its type "
Those were the words of one gent i showed it to...

Why dont you go see the 5800$ parker thats worth 1500$ in the forums
Go bring his gun up...or the 1500$ marlin midel 336 because its a jm stamp..
I bought 1 new for 599 at canadian tire 8 yrs ago....GUESS WHAT MARKETS CHANGED
the days of 9$ 410 shells are over ...now its 45 $....do you see a trend here....

This is in regards to comment. ( cape breton water )

Slander you? That's a laugh. I was quite complimentary actually.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

I do hope you get a good price for the gun. I like it every time a vintage SxS sells for more than I might expect. But you have confirmed exactly what my point was when I made the post you object to. You don't want the truth, you want your version of the world confirmed. And that was exactly Gunsaholic's point as well as The Spank's.

Good luck.

 

[tiriaq]

Nineteenth century wages were low. Lower in Belgium than in Birmingham. Many workers were highly skilled, and by anything approaching modern standards were underpaid.
Embellishment on a gun may enhance its appearance, but doesn't necessarily relate to high quality. It didn't really cost the house all that much. Look at the really cheap guns with genuine hand engraving.
Quality guns have quality embellishment. They also exhibit outstanding mechanical quality. Look at the inside of the locks from a high grade gun.
I recall seeing a Belgian hardware store gun at Accuracy Plus in Peterborough. It was essentially brand new. Attractive case colours, shiny inside and out, tight, crisp. Very unusual to see one like this, I'd never seen another in this condition. But that is what they looked like when new. The gun was $275. I almost bought it because it was so unusual to see one of these guns in unused condition.

 

[HUNTERROD]

HR, I'm sorry to say this but you are working very hard to prove me right. I don't doubt that you are honest, or that the gun is unique and in incredible relative condition. I don't doubt that you have great feedback. But you aren't hearing what I'm saying and others have said and implied. Neumann Bros guns aren't collected. They don't command top dollar.

How do I know this? Because I have been learning about, researching and collecting vintage SxS for 20 years. I don't buy rifles or any modern guns. I don't buy handguns. I don't buy O/U. I only focus on vintage SxS. I'm in regular contact with collectors across NA. I share correspondence with people who do the research and write the definite books of different makers......lIke Charles Semmer who wrote the bible on Remington SxS. I trade emails with people like Diggory Hadoke of England who publishes The Vintage Gun Journal. I know many of the contributors to the now defunct Double Gun Journal. Probably the main reason I know as much as i do about vintage double guns is because, for the last 20 years, when I ran across someone who, for whatever reason seemed to know more than me about something, I stopped talking and started listening. As much as i have learned, I still don't count myself as an expert. I still pay close attention and try to learn from others. There is a lot to know. But I do know some things.

I honestly wasnt asking anyone for an evaluation..ive had a few evaluations...my post was brought into someones post...its been slandered by some on here and i dont take kindly to it...simply put...nobody is forcing anybody to buy it..or look at it...this site wont
Allow more pictures because my space is used....at no point have i asked opinions on it...people are free to do so...why dont you ask Ashcroft about he and I haveing a great chat on it and he even said it definitely wasnt a belgian clunker and the gold was really unique.
Making it definitely an oddity... Since when do members on here..( not saying you ) have the right to dictate prices and or values without
#1 seeing. It in hand or pictures...90% of these guns were abused...used hard...guess what this 1 was loved...bet if i sold it on here for 250$
The guy be bragging ( u wanna see what i scored cheap )... Welll not gonna happen...find me same gun...same cond ...for less...ill match price... Has be identical gun...with gold and in same untestored cond....you wont find one sir.

 

[HUNTERROD]

Slander you? That's a laugh. I was quite complimentary actually.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

I do hope you get a good price for the gun. I like it every time a vintage SxS sells for more than I might expect. But you have confirmed exactly what my point was when I made the post you object to. You don't want the truth, you want your version of the world confirmed. And that was exactly Gunsaholic's point as well as The Spank's.

Good luck.

Did u read bottom of my post reply... ( water in cape Breton comment )
Know what...im deleting the add...are u guys gonna be happy now...

 

[HUNTERROD]

Add deleted..go talk about someone elses adds...


Another neuman bros in the exchange 950$...nobody bringing that 1 up??
Or the 5800$ parker with Damascus barrels... Hmmm.
Interesting.

 

[cjdawe]

I've been reading this with a vague interest, but I'm sorry CanvasBack is right ,your gun is high condition and that's it ...you can't change the maker or what it is ,maybe there's a collector out there of high condition Belgian hammer guns and to that I wish you the best of luck ...if I went out in the old stable and found a cherry condition 120 year old flat top shovel,with Stanley stamped in gold letters it would be a cool old shovel !
Your shotgun is a unique find like that shovel ,it even has a little gold -that in of itself, if you could get it out wouldn't be enough in weight to make for a great Christmas day ...but it's not a Parker ,Daly,Purdy or Boss and thats the cold facts ...the guys who told you it was worth a pile were yanking your chain ,or not as educated as they implied

 

[gunsaholic]

With any gun like this, if the value is thought of to be high because it is indeed unique, then to realize what the market value might be at any given time, send it to auction. And I am referring to guns in general, not just the one in this post. Yes there would be a comission but you would have buyer's, collectors and shooters from across Canada and the US. So if the gun is indeed high value because of its unique collectability, the market would bear that out. Even after comission one would be left with more because a private sale is unlikely. In reference to the Neuman, I have to agree that if appraisers said the value is $3000.00, then they should not call themselves appraisers. I am not saying this to degrade the gun or owner, but rather the appraisers.

 

[HUNTERROD]

I've been reading this with a vague interest, but I'm sorry CanvasBack is right ,your gun is high condition and that's it ...you can't change the maker or what it is ,maybe there's a collector out there of high condition Belgian hammer guns and to that I wish you the best of luck ...if I went out in the old stable and found a cherry condition 120 year old flat top shovel,with Stanley stamped in gold letters it would be a cool old shovel !
Your shotgun is a unique find like that shovel ,it even has a little gold -that in of itself, if you could get it out wouldn't be enough in weight to make for a great Christmas day ...but it's not a Parker ,Daly,Purdy or Boss and thats the cold facts ...the guys who told you it was worth a pile were yanking your chain ,or not as educated as they implied

Well dont really care...adds down... I have english guns and belgian guns. One of these belgian
Guns same maker..however diff gold pattern sold in wallhanger cond at auction for 450$ US
With rotted bores and poor overall cond..barrel dents... Regardless...adds gone..really cant be bothered...i dont dis
Or denounce anyones add...especially when i get inbox msgs saying my gun is being ridiculed
And i had no idea that was being done.. I was kind of shocked my gun was tagged in someone elses post
When i had no idea personally it was going on.... Anybow... Glad it brought conversation whether gd intent or not.

 

[HUNTERROD]

With any gun like this, if the value is thought of to be high because it is indeed unique, then to realize what the market value might be at any given time, send it to auction. And I am referring to guns in general, not just the one in this post. Yes there would be a comission but you would have buyer's, collectors and shooters from across Canada and the US. So if the gun is indeed high value because of its unique collectability, the market would bear that out. Even after comission one would be left with more because a private sale is unlikely. In reference to the Neuman, I have to agree that if appraisers said the value is $3000.00, then they should not call themselves appraisers. I am not saying this to degrade the gun or owner, but rather the appraisers.

ynot.yes old bud.... Adds down anyhow...anyhow...hope your well..
Ill keep shooting it... It owes me absolutely nothing.. But guarantee
You wont find an unrestored hammer sxs like this in its unrestored
Cond...the pics dont do it justice, bores are basically new..the gun was gotten
From the original owners great grandson

 

[HUNTERROD]

I've been reading this with a vague interest, but I'm sorry CanvasBack is right ,your gun is high condition and that's it ...you can't change the maker or what it is ,maybe there's a collector out there of high condition Belgian hammer guns and to that I wish you the best of luck ...if I went out in the old stable and found a cherry condition 120 year old flat top shovel,with Stanley stamped in gold letters it would be a cool old shovel !
Your shotgun is a unique find like that shovel ,it even has a little gold -that in of itself, if you could get it out wouldn't be enough in weight to make for a great Christmas day ...but it's not a Parker ,Daly,Purdy or Boss and thats the cold facts ...the guys who told you it was worth a pile were yanking your chain ,or not as educated as they implied

You also must understand i never at all deemed the gun " HIGH QUALITY "
Rather an oddity of its cond being a trade name gun and the fact
The gold was on it... Ashcroft concured it definitely would still be a quite
Serviceable gun in its cond... And the gold was intriguing...
My gun was dragged into another post....as i said...my add never stated any such
Comment of high quality...

 

[HUNTERROD]

With any gun like this, if the value is thought of to be high because it is indeed unique, then to realize what the market value might be at any given time, send it to auction. And I am referring to guns in general, not just the one in this post. Yes there would be a comission but you would have buyer's, collectors and shooters from across Canada and the US. So if the gun is indeed high value because of its unique collectability, the market would bear that out. Even after comission one would be left with more because a private sale is unlikely. In reference to the Neuman, I have to agree that if appraisers said the value is $3000.00, then they should not call themselves appraisers. I am not saying this to degrade the gun or owner, but rather the appraisers.

Sent pics to your email bud...have a look.

 

[Ashcroft]

I honestly wasnt asking anyone for an evaluation..ive had a few evaluations...my post was brought into someones post...its been slandered by some on here and i dont take kindly to it...simply put...nobody is forcing anybody to buy it..or look at it...this site wont
Allow more pictures because my space is used....at no point have i asked opinions on it...people are free to do so...why dont you ask Ashcroft about he and I haveing a great chat on it and he even said it definitely wasnt a belgian clunker and the gold was really unique.
Making it definitely an oddity... Since when do members on here..( not saying you ) have the right to dictate prices and or values without
#1 seeing. It in hand or pictures...90% of these guns were abused...used hard...guess what this 1 was loved...bet if i sold it on here for 250$
The guy be bragging ( u wanna see what i scored cheap )... Welll not gonna happen...find me same gun...same cond ...for less...ill match price... Has be identical gun...with gold and in same untestored cond....you wont find one sir.

Don’t drag me into this pi$$ing match. I believe that I commented that it was very unusual, primarily because of the high retained condition, the simple gold inlay is also unusual on a basic Belgian hardware store gun. This gold decoration doesn’t elevate it much in quality or value but it does add interest. The value in this gun is based on the outstanding condition but it’s still a matter of value of comparable Belgian hardware store guns, not better original quality guns. I did not and never do give a dollar evaluation based on pictures only of a gun that I’ve not carefully examined. I think it would be a great gun for someone that wants a sound, pretty, simple gun with a little added bling
(kind of like custom wheels on a Pinto) to hang on the wall and take grouse hunting once in awhile. Someone with little knowledge of these guns may be tempted to dig deep for it but once the price approaches the price of a new CZ or Huglu this gun would quickly lose it’s appeal. Interesting?yes. Unusual? Definitely. Valuable? Not a great investment.

 

[Ashcroft]

OK, now you’ve got me going. If we’re being realistic about this excellent condition Belgian gun let’s put it in context………
What’s an average Belgian hardware store gun in worn but safe shooting condition worth? $200? $250? $300 max on a good day. What about the same gun in excellent condition? They exist, I’ve seen a few. Realistically, double? $400-600? Certainly no more. How much added value in a modest amount of basic gold inlay? Double again to $800-1200? I think not, it’s still the same crude gun, a little added bling doesn’t change the quality or add significant value in my opinion.

 

[cjdawe]

Hunterrod,even when dealing with some of the established names like parkers ,there's a lean towards the idea they're all worth money ,they're not...a 12 ,2 frame VH is a pig to sell ,likewise a 12 gauge sterlingworth ,in high condition like your Neumann helps ,but it's just an example of misinformation creating an unrealistic expectation...I personally think you're on the right track ,keep it in the rack it's a interesting piece in regard to its condition use it ,enjoy it ....I learned this lesson long ago ,on high condition examples that in finding i thought I hit the jack pot ,it's all part of learning ,they guys here were trying to help it may of seemed like vitriol at times ,but we forget sometimes what we write and how it's read creates a mess...better we think of it as a bunch of guys having a beer and grinding gears but giving honest advice.
Enjoy you gun for what it is

 

[HUNTERROD]

Don’t drag me into this pi$$ing match. I believe that I commented that it was very unusual, primarily because of the high retained condition, the simple gold inlay is also unusual on a basic Belgian hardware store gun. This gold decoration doesn’t elevate it much in quality or value but it does add interest. The value in this gun is based on the outstanding condition but it’s still a matter of value of comparable Belgian hardware store guns, not better original quality guns. I did not and never do give a dollar evaluation based on pictures only of a gun that I’ve not carefully examined. I think it would be a great gun for someone that wants a sound, pretty, simple gun with a little added bling
(kind of like custom wheels on a Pinto) to hang on the wall and take grouse hunting once in awhile. Someone with little knowledge of these guns may be tempted to dig deep for it but once the price approaches the price of a new CZ or Huglu this gun would quickly lose it’s appeal. Interesting?yes. Unusual? Definitely. Valuable? Not a great investment.

Only said we chatted on it... We said exactly that. It was an oddity
Someone dragged my gun into this conversation without me knowing
A few members inboxed me stating i was being rudiculed...ive never 1x claimed
Was a high end gun. But an oddity.. Nothing more...

 

[HUNTERROD]

As a member stated. My gun should not have been brought into a post
It negatively affected my add to the point i removed it..as i got inboxes
And msgs privately just condemning the gun as a belgian rattle trap.
And a time bomb to explode...was another 1 i got...you'll realize as a member
Here of this site, i listed it..put a price...if someone don't like it..simply scroll by.
Look at other posts...not drag it into this gentlemans original post asking evaulatio
On his own gun.