Athlon , for hunting ?

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I have a couple on range toys, but considering maybe a smaller 1" tube scope for a hunting rifle
Turrets wouldn't get the workout like the others, but would allow dialing for longer 500 yd shots if and when
would be another toy for the range too if it could dial the old -06 to 500, Burris Sig rings would take care of any cant needed

anyone with real world stories of carrying an Athlon in the rain and snow and beating it up a little?
 
I don't own any Athlon scopes and so have no experience with them. However, I'd advise against an Athlon 1" hunting scope. First, it will be made in China. (As far as I know, all Athlon scopes are Chinese, except the Cronus BTR which is made in Japan.) Second, it will be heavier than necessary--anywhere from 17 oz. - 24 oz. And third, it will probably have undesirably short eye relief. Many of their lower-end 1" scopes have 3" eye relief, and I wouldn't want to park my eye behind that with your '06 and its recoil. For their place of birth and price, don't expect good optics. I'd advise spending a little more and getting a decent optic.
 
you bring up soem good points, the input is appreciated

several models in the 2-12 power range , listed as 3.6" eye relief
and one at 20 ozs is not a brick, other models are 25 , not a factor imo

thinking SFP might be better for hunting

also imo 'made in China' is not a quality statement
any standard of quality can be met, what matters is the standard of the one placing the order to be built
 
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...also imo 'made in China' is not a quality statement
any standard of quality can be met, what matters is the standard of the one placing the order to be built
Sure, in principle I guess that is true. However, from what I’ve read, while the glass may (or may not) be OK, the durability and precision of the mechanical parts in Chinese scopes tend to be very poor--so unreliable internal components that break down under hard use, imprecise dials, and poor reticles. The breakdown and return rates reportedly far exceed those of scopes made in Europe, Japan, or the US.
 
Head out to a rimfire PRS match and you will find plenty of Athlons and other popular brands made in China thriving in one of the most demanding games for scopes.

There are certainly many products made to the lowest price and quality.... yeah, these can be terrible options. usually, the price and branding are good indications of mystery quality.

Move to brands like Athlon and their better products (still very affordable), and they will perform with the best in the industry. It has never been cheaper to buy a truly good performing optic.

PM or email to discuss options.

Jerry
 
Sure, in principle I guess that is true. However, from what I’ve read, while the glass may (or may not) be OK, the durability and precision of the mechanical parts in Chinese scopes tend to be very poor--so unreliable internal components that break down under hard use, imprecise dials, and poor reticles. The breakdown and return rates reportedly far exceed those of scopes made in Europe, Japan, or the US.

Has a proper full review ever been done that reveals the internal workings of various brands of scopes?
Its surprising the rumours of plastic parts in several big name brand optics

iirc Athlon gen 2 have all metal parts in their adjuster mechanisms, unlike Vortex, but then again that needs substantiating
 
I think it is safe to say that retail price is a good indicator of materials used. wrt to Athlon, their lowest priced items are very inexpensive. They do a decent job, I don't recommend them simply because of long term wear and tear. are they happy shooter using them, yes.... is it something I would recommend, NOPE.

conversely, as you move up the food chain, Athlon, on occasion, indicates that metal (SS) is used in the erector systems. Visit the site and read the scope descriptions.

I can say with the amount of twirling rimfire PRS shooter put on their scopes, if it is going to have issues, it will happen soon enough... and yes, some popular inexpensive options haven't done as well as shooters hoped.

Pretty hard for plastic internals to survive this type of use and abuse... and also deliver, this level of repeatability and precision.

China manfs dollar store widgets to Iphone 15's... you decide on what you want, work with a quality manf, pay what the stuff is truly worth and still have products that offer fantastic market pricing vs other countries of origin.

YMMV

Jerry
 
Yeah, Jerry, good points. I hadn't intended to dump on Athlon. I had just taken a quick look at their site and focused on the 1" scopes mentioned in the OP. That's where I ran across a bunch in their NEOS line. These scopes--3-9s and 4-12s--seemed too heavy for a hunting rig, running around 17+ oz. To my mind, an all-purpose hunting scope that is going on a rifle that will be packed some distance and through rough terrain should weigh no more than 16 oz., and I prefer those in the 12 oz. range, like the Swarovski 3-9x36 that I've used on numerous hunting rifles, or just about any Leupold 3-9 or 3.5-10. But again, that’s just my opinion. Second, these NEOS scopes all showed very short eye relief--near 3", which I think is too short for a 30-06. And as noted, they are very inexpensive, and although a low price is normally a good thing, I would really wonder about the material and durability of their inner components.

A step up in the Athlon offerings to the Talos line includes some 1” scopes with slightly lower weight and better eye relief than the NEOS scopes. However, they are still really inexpensive, and, as with the NEOS scopes, I’d wonder about the durability and performance of a Chinese scope selling for $250 in Canada. In any case, I should have done a little more careful research on Athlon before posting, but I don’t think I’d want to count on an inexpensive 1” Chinese hunting scope holding up in the field.

So this is just my $.02, and if boxhitch likes what he sees in the Athlon scopes, he should go ahead with one. Incidentally, the higher Athlon lines look much better--particularly the Ares and Cronus scopes--but with 30 mm. tubes and weights at or in excess of 24 oz. just too heavy for a general-purpose hunting rifle.
 
agreed, I wasn't looking at the bottom shelf stuff
Athlon claims the Heras 2-12x42 is their version of a 1" hunting scope, Helos would be 30mm, these have all the normal features of higher price scopes plus a few attributes from a tactical line
good point about the weights

Maybe I'll be teh guinea pig , where do I sign up for the Pro Team? lol
 
Many new gen scopes are heavy... does it mean the internals are thicker, stronger, tougher? No idea but many new scopes are working great.

I still shy away from the sub $300 retail scopes from any brand. I know that some 'cheap' scopes are old designs that used to be more 'expensive'... but some are just built to a price point.

How do you tell them apart? Personally, it is not worth the risk to me in my competition and LR shooting needs... missing is just too expensive.

The Athlon Helos BTR Gen2 family is by far their best value product line in the FFP. Everyone one of these scopes is a new design and built on some fantastic parts. It is so rare to have a less expensive product offer more then its siblings but that is where things are now. The Heras builds on these strengths in a SFP family. The new Midas TAC g2 4.5-27 should also take advantage of all the newest good stuff (but I have not played with this one yet).

If just going by price, a consumer would never know this ... so it is helpful to lean on dealers that actually use the stuff and can give you real world experience. A service lacking more and more in a world of click to shop.

Jerry
 
I just got a Helos BTR g2 1-10X28 SFP. For the money and specs, this is a very good scope. There are reviews comparing the optics to much more expensive products. The view is really good. Scope is surprisingly light given the 34mm tube... 18.3 ozs

I like the reticle for a hunting, mid range target scope. The 1X does work well and would be perfect for quick shots at close range. The 10X allows for good aiming out to 1000yds on larger targets (center dot is quite big)

A very useful scope.

Jerry
 
Hunting with Athlons for me are on my 22LR (Midas HMR IR 2.5-15x50 30mm tube) and 17HMR (Argos BTR IR FFP 6-24x50 30mm tube with exposed turrets). Long range 22 also an Athlon (Midas TAC FFP 5-25x56 34mm tube)

The hunting Midas and Argos have been tossed into the back seat of trucks and been out in the rain and snow. No problems. The Midas HMR has been in use since 2020, the Argos a year before that.

For me the Midas HMR and Argos BTR are low-mid priced scopes - then in the 600-650 range, not sure what they are now or if they have been superseded. The Midas TAC was mid-high 1200 plus. I am basing that on price ranges for the scopes I have here which include old Bushnell Elite 6500 and new Leupold VX3HD (for me I would consider 1500+ to be high and Nightforce etc over 2000 to be crazy high - YMMV)

All have been great scopes for the price points, the FFP Midas TAC especially.

The Midas TAC I baby for the bench so cannot comment, but it is built like the others and should be able to handle it. It would be rather large for a hunting rifle IMHO.
 
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Garbage or not, I personally try my best not to support businesses from countries that are ruled by communist regimes.

Yeah, I’m sure I inadvertently end up consuming items of PRC origin, but I do my best to avoid it.

That’s just my take. YMMV.
 
….. Move to brands like Athlon and they’re better products (still very affordable), and they will perform with the best in the industry. It has never been cheaper to buy a truly good performing optic.

PM or email to discuss options.

Jerry

Jerry, what are your thoughts and your recommendation for an Athlon scope to be used on rifles carried for big game?

Thanks,
Ted
 
Ted, the Helos family of scopes has been on my rimfire and centerfire PRS rifles... shot alot, dialed more in an afternoon then most will do in a lifetime. They are working great and although, I do not spend much time in the weather, I did spend an afternoon getting soaked with a shooter and the Helos performed better then his rather expensive optic.

If you are ok with the reticle style, the Helos BTR G2 1-10 (SFP) is a fantastic option and surprisingly light. Lots of 2-12 (FFP) have also been sold and these are hard to keep instock.

I have sold a number of various Athlon scopes to hunters and no complaints... no idea how they hunt. So far, I have not had a warranty request due to fogging. Most have that hydrophobic coating popularised by Bushnell years back.

Overall, I have been very happy with how the higher grades of Athlon scopes have worked for me in competition and LR shooting (helos btr g2 is where I spend most of the time. Ares ETR before). I have not spent any time with the less expensive stuff but again, I have happy customers

PM or email if you want to chat on options. Athlon site gives you all the info on the scope lineup. SFP and FFP options are now possible. The newest families are the Helos BTR G2 (FFP, mostly) and Heras (SFP, mostly)... these are very well priced and perform well above their price point. The midas HMRs are speced towards hunters, a couple of years old, and gone down in price ... so again, great value.

From there, you enter the ED glass family with Ares and Cronus BTR G2. Bigger budget, work great... etc.

Jerry
 
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