Rugger PC

Gindryden said:
The manual discourages using ammo with aluminum casing. Not sure why. I have never used it, but have seen Utubes of people who use it and it seems to shoot for them. All I have shot is lowest price brass 115 grain FMJ with the Ruger mags and have not had a problem with any of it.
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That is for the .40S&w chambered rifles not the 9mm

This is from the original carbine manual made from 1996-2006

SPECIAL NOTE: The higher pressures produced by the .40 auto cartridge make
the use of aluminum-cased .40 auto ammunition inadvisable in the Ruger
Carbine or any other “blowback” -operated firearm. Occasional case separations
and jamming of the mechanism may occur. This does not apply to locked-breech
firearms such as the Ruger P-94 pistols.

And this is from the current manual;

Note that the use of aluminum case
ammunition with the PC CARBINE™ chambered in 40 S&W is strictly
prohibited.
 
Greenhorse six said:
That is for the .40S&w chambered rifles not the 9mm

This is from the original carbine manual made from 1996-2006

SPECIAL NOTE: The higher pressures produced by the .40 auto cartridge make
the use of aluminum-cased .40 auto ammunition inadvisable in the Ruger
Carbine or any other “blowback” -operated firearm. Occasional case separations
and jamming of the mechanism may occur. This does not apply to locked-breech
firearms such as the Ruger P-94 pistols.

And this is from the current manual;

Note that the use of aluminum case
ammunition with the PC CARBINE™ chambered in 40 S&W is strictly
prohibited.
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hmm ok but the manual that came with my 9mm Ruger carbine bought last year advises against aluminum ammo.
 
edgy said:
I am running a Vortex Crossfire red dot on mine and it is boringly easy to hit steel at 50 yards, and with some practice pretty damn consistent at 100. Most of my shooting is competition based so rarely over 50 yards. If the bulk of your shooting is within 50, I would say a red dot is ideal, out to 100 regularly you may consider a scope a better choice, although a 3x magnifier behind a dot is also an option
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Will a scope hurt/hinder my under 100 yards shooting in any way? Just asking because, when purchasing the gun I was told there should be no reason why I would want a scope on a 9mm carbine. Also, while I will be shooting 100 yards or over often (for fun) I will do doubt shoot most around the 50 yard range. I was assuming that a scope would mostly be the best of both worlds.

I really have no idea of red dot, and lol, in fact until I talked to the salesman I was thinking the 'red dot' was the laser you see in movies. lol

That said, I really loved shooting kind of far.

Also, if it's the price. It seems that a scope is about 8x the price of a red dot but still seemingly cheap for a $1500 rifle that will last forever.
 
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A red dot sight can easily go to the $1,000 range if you're looking at quality, with many filling the $400 to $600 range. I have a Burris FastFire III with a 3MOA red dot. One time I hit a squirrel and dropped it right on the spot from 35 yards using that on a PCP carbine with an LW barrel - an inherently accurate .22" airgun. What I saw through the Burris was a red circle with rear legs and a tail at the moment I pressed the trigger. It was a lucky hit, straight through the heart. I only used it on game that one time. And shouldn't have taken that stupid shot. At 35 yards, a 3MOA dot is just too much bigger than the target zone.

So I use a scope for squirrels - a Burris 2-7x - so that I can place the pellet inside a spot smaller than a dime between the eye and the ear hole. Makes for a clean drop every time. No point gambling with inaccurate optics when taking a life, even if it's a fuzzy-tailed rat. And most of my shots on squirrels are inside 20 yards. If I'm going to have a kill zone that small and nail it every time, as I have for the last several years and for most of the 5 years before that for my now 397 grey squirrels, I want to see exactly where it's going to hit, not just 'aim for the head.' Too easy to injure an animal that way.

So for my 9mm carbine, a 2-10x FFP suits me just fine. I shoot to 100 yards now and again, and it lets me see the holes as they appear. That's satisfying. Lets me make an adjustment to the scope if necessary, or tells me what I already knew about any defect in my timing or steadiness. I don't see any issue with using a scope if that's what you want to use. Anyone telling you it's wrong to use a scope on a 9mm carbine is probably hung up on it being 'unmanly' or some such nonsense. Such people can rarely print a 10 shot group under 6" at 100 yards, with any rifle. They're insecure, and brag about it.
 
GerardSamija said:
A red dot sight can easily go to the $1,000 range if you're looking at quality, with many filling the $400 to $600 range. I have a Burris FastFire III with a 3MOA red dot. One time I hit a squirrel and dropped it right on the spot from 35 yards using that on a PCP carbine with an LW barrel - an inherently accurate .22" airgun. What I saw through the Burris was a red circle with rear legs and a tail at the moment I pressed the trigger. It was a lucky hit, straight through the heart. I only used it on game that one time. And shouldn't have taken that stupid shot. At 35 yards, a 3MOA dot is just too much bigger than the target zone.

So I use a scope for squirrels - a Burris 2-7x - so that I can place the pellet inside a spot smaller than a dime between the eye and the ear hole. Makes for a clean drop every time. No point gambling with inaccurate optics when taking a life, even if it's a fuzzy-tailed rat. And most of my shots on squirrels are inside 20 yards. If I'm going to have a kill zone that small and nail it every time, as I have for the last several years and for most of the 5 years before that for my now 397 grey squirrels, I want to see exactly where it's going to hit, not just 'aim for the head.' Too easy to injure an animal that way.

So for my 9mm carbine, a 2-10x FFP suits me just fine. I shoot to 100 yards now and again, and it lets me see the holes as they appear. That's satisfying. Lets me make an adjustment to the scope if necessary, or tells me what I already knew about any defect in my timing or steadiness. I don't see any issue with using a scope if that's what you want to use. Anyone telling you it's wrong to use a scope on a 9mm carbine is probably hung up on it being 'unmanly' or some such nonsense. Such people can rarely print a 10 shot group under 6" at 100 yards, with any rifle. They're insecure, and brag about it.
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I see. Yeah, it didn't seem like a brag deal there, tho. I suspect more a price thing. Regarding the price, they were saying I could get a red dot for under $100, and for the scopes (I looked at prior) I was thinking around around $4-500. I was happy with scopes before when younger so I will probably just use one of them. Red dots are new to me and it sounds like they aren't anything really substantial over a scope if at all. Thanks, Gerard.
 
My take on it is that red dots and holographic sights are most handy for really close-up shooting, between in the same room and 50 yards 90% or more of the time. Battle stuff, in cities, or cops doing raids kind of thing. Across a street or halfway up the block a dot sight makes sense. But for making small patterns on paper or other precision shooting, a scope is far preferable. And hey, loads of people have noticed that, which has made the 1-4x and up to 1-8x LPVO extremely popular with military and police, and a lot of 3-gun folks. Even up close, just use the 1x for both eyes open shooting. If you really want to nail a particular spot, not just make a big steel plate ring, a scope is your tool.
 
I think it really comes down to what you are going tonise the gun for. Playingb IDPA OR IPSC PCC a Red dot sight 3 or 5moa will work well out to 50 yes for what we want to hit. I have mounted a 1x5 scope and an angle mounted red dot which worked well for me shooting out to 50 yards at the 8" down zero circle on IDPA targets and again with my aged eyes the combo worked.

If you hunt like the poster above then I think a 1x5 or a 3x9 scope would be the the ticket out to 100 yards. The higher magnification scope would be better if most your shooting will be say, 75yards -100 yards.

Plinking out to 25 yards all the time? I would go 3moa red dot. Full time targets at 25 yards, a 1,x 5 X scope.

Just my opinion, I should add a prisum sight is best if you are over 40 to avoid the Starburst effect.

I sold my Rugers to fund a Lockhart Tactcal Raven9 but do miss my Ruger..

Take Care

Bob
 
Thank-you, guys. Good stuff, and am going to go with the red dot, probably tomorrow. Back and forth but just like thinking about it. I have zero exp with a red dot, so might as well learn, and if I get a 270 in the summer I will be getting the scope for that anyway.

Just to be sure, a red dot would 'generally' be better at under 75 yrds for instance, right?
 
GerardSamija said:
My take on it is that red dots and holographic sights are most handy for really close-up shooting, between in the same room and 50 yards 90% or more of the time. Battle stuff, in cities, or cops doing raids kind of thing. Across a street or halfway up the block a dot sight makes sense. But for making small patterns on paper or other precision shooting, a scope is far preferable. And hey, loads of people have noticed that, which has made the 1-4x and up to 1-8x LPVO extremely popular with military and police, and a lot of 3-gun folks. Even up close, just use the 1x for both eyes open shooting. If you really want to nail a particular spot, not just make a big steel plate ring, a scope is your tool.
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Actually, your 'battle stuff' with cops helped the most. They shave it down Im sure.. If they are using red dot at <75 yards, they betting too much to be wrong. I won't be 'sniping' with my 9mm. Just fun long shots.
 
For accuracy a scope wins at all distances. Under 50 yards a 3moa red dot works. Under 35 yards a 6moa red dot works..neither red dot works for finer accuracy except for short distances under 30 yards. If you are going to plink 25 yards and Under a red dot works with speed.

I use red dots for action shooting. For just plinking and target work I prefer a scope.

Your mileage may very. Past 25 yards a 9mm is good for an inch at 50. After that ...well there are not many shooters shooting Olympic pistol at >50 yards.

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
For accuracy a scope wins at all distances. Under 50 yards a 3moa red dot works. Under 35 yards a 6moa red dot works..neither red dot works for finer accuracy except for short distances under 30 yards. If you are going to plink 25 yards and Under a red dot works with speed.

I use red dots for action shooting. For just plinking and target work I prefer a scope.

Your mileage may very. Past 25 yards a 9mm is good for an inch at 50. After that ...well there are not many shooters shooting Olympic pistol at >50 yards.

Take Care

Bob
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Yeah, action shooting, while not important, might be, so that helped. That means to be able to aim reasonably well, quickly, right? Like in those videos where they are running from target to target? Carbine, not pistol, tho.

Are scopes/red dots easy and/or quick to change on guns? I mean, could I buy a scope for my future 270 and if I want, be able to put it on my ruger 9 carbine?
 
Pringlescanopen said:
Are scopes/red dots easy and/or quick to change on guns? I mean, could I buy a scope for my future 270 and if I want, be able to put it on my ruger 9 carbine?
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Sure. Of course it means changing windage and elevation, re-establishing zero on whatever rifle with whatever cartridge you choose. The odds are against being able to just swap from one to another and expect to hit the same point of aim.

I'm a fan of the Burris P.E.P.R. QD mounts. Very solidly made with 2 quick detach levers, available from 1" up to 34mm diameter. I've found they have excellent repeatability between mountings on the same rifles. Not cheap, but as solidly made QD mounts go, they're a bargain compared to some of the high end brands, which seem not to offer all that much more for the money.
 
GerardSamija said:
Sure. Of course it means changing windage and elevation, re-establishing zero on whatever rifle with whatever cartridge you choose. The odds are against being able to just swap from one to another and expect to hit the same point of aim.

I'm a fan of the Burris P.E.P.R. QD mounts. Very solidly made with 2 quick detach levers, available from 1" up to 34mm diameter. I've found they have excellent repeatability between mountings on the same rifles. Not cheap, but as solidly made QD mounts go, they're a bargain compared to some of the high end brands, which seem not to offer all that much more for the money.
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Safe to say that as a noob, probably not easily interchangeable. lol. Do like the sound of that PEPR tho. Quick detach. How much $ are they?

I think I better just go with one for each. Will go with the red dot for the 9 carbine now.
 
Pringles you ought to do more reading and less asking. There are a lot of variables in play here and until you get a handle on the subject you are not going to understand the answers anyway. I know I am being more than a bit blunt but for every answer you get you are going to generate another question ad nauseum.

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
Pringles you ought to do more reading and less asking. There are a lot of variables in play here and until you get a handle on the subject you are not going to understand the answers anyway. I know I am being more than a bit blunt but for every answer you get you are going to generate another question ad nauseum.

Take Care

Bob
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I know, and I hear you, but the linguistics in guns is pretty huge, Im just trying to cut corners for the jist of it, but, yes, I hear you. I do appreciate the responses, but for sure, only answer if you're feeling like it. Thanks Canuck, already you've told me lots.
 
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