Modern MLs

One will never know the true spirt of hunting with a muzzleloader until he hunts with a flintlock or a traditional percussion muzzleloader.
Not everyone cares about such things, in fact, I would venture to guess that very few that lobbied for a ML season care about such things, they only want more opportunities to kill things. Those of us that ARE interested in the true spirit of hunting with flintlocks will, and do, do so without any special season. To each his own.
 
I personally think that modern inlines defeat the purpose of having a muzzle loading season. If the idea is to allow hunting with less pressure on the animals, then having guns that are almost as effective as modern cartridge guns totally defeats the purpose. It should be limited to black powder and non-magnified sights only.
(Edit: There's no ML only season where I live, so it doesn't affect me in anyway..I still hunt with PRB and iron sights regardless)

I don't get a special muzzy season in my area. I use inline and I compete with other crownland hunters with shotguns shooting sabots.
 
Utah is now banning scopes on inlines muzzleloaders and this is only a start. Many other States simply banned non historical muzzleloaders and beleive me it will soon come here at a theater near you. Lets play the game or bust...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRe7tzyMQJA&t=2s&ab_channel=ILoveMuzzleloading
It is my understanding that in Pennsylvania, it is called a "primitive weapons" season and is PRB, open iron sights and flintlock or earlier. It depends on the reason for the "special" season. Some "special" seasons, usually ML and shotgun are implemented to reduce the range due to acreages and such and have not g to do with "history". However, just like the biological men that want to "identify" as a woman so they can compete with an unfair advantage in women's sports, the guys shooting high powered gun s that "identify" as a ML so they can compete with other ML and shotgun hunters in these special season zones will eventually find their so-called ML guns whose "smokeless sabotless builds would put most CF guns to shame at 300 yards" will either be disqualified from the season OR the whole special season will be shut down for everyone. Every sport has those that will cheat any way they can to gain an unfair edge over those that just train hard to be the best they can be within the rules and intentions. This is how it has always been and how it will always continue to be. Human nature.
 
In my province where you can register your Deer kill online there are those that sneak out with their centerfire guns and shoot a deer during muzzleloading season then register a kill with a muzzle loader.These are the ones that will eventually shut down the season.I also know a guy at work who never hunted before who went out during ML season with his friends,they loaded up an inline for him (and he no knowledge of how to reload it and they didn’t t give him any ammo to do it anyway)and put him in a tree stand over an apple pile.He did shoot a deer though well actually a baby fawn .
 
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You still only get one shot…

As for accuracy, our smokeless sabotless builds would put most CF guns to shame at 300 yards - it’s not about that, it’s just very effective but still only one shot.

by that logic, single shot cartridge rifles should also qualify for muzzle loading season

cheers mooncoon
 
It is my understanding that in Pennsylvania, it is called a "primitive weapons" season and is PRB, open iron sights and flintlock or earlier. It depends on the reason for the "special" season. Some "special" seasons, usually ML and shotgun are implemented to reduce the range due to acreages and such and have not g to do with "history". However, just like the biological men that want to "identify" as a woman so they can compete with an unfair advantage in women's sports, the guys shooting high powered gun s that "identify" as a ML so they can compete with other ML and shotgun hunters in these special season zones will eventually find their so-called ML guns whose "smokeless sabotless builds would put most CF guns to shame at 300 yards" will either be disqualified from the season OR the whole special season will be shut down for everyone. Every sport has those that will cheat any way they can to gain an unfair edge over those that just train hard to be the best they can be within the rules and intentions. This is how it has always been and how it will always continue to be. Human nature.

I kind of feel like you are going to be against any front stuffer that isn't a flint lock. Although my equipment is capable of 250+ yard shots, my average shot distance is bow range.
 
by that logic, single shot cartridge rifles should also qualify for muzzle loading season

cheers mooncoon

Interestingly I understand some US states have been trying a metallic black powder cartridge season for the Sharps and silhouette aficionados.

Saskatchewan lumps them in with shotgun zones and a season between rifle and archery. Have tried it, was mostly a good excuse for some nice long walks. While I intend to do it again with the aforementioned CVA I bought on sale, it’s more to do with getting out ahead of the rush and hazards of a busy centerfire rifle season than any nostalgia. Being left eye dominant percussion and flint rifles aren’t a big attraction.
 
Utah is now banning scopes on inlines muzzleloaders and this is only a start. Many other States simply banned non historical muzzleloaders and beleive me it will soon come here at a theater near you. Lets play the game or bust...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRe7tzyMQJA&t=2s&ab_channel=ILoveMuzzleloading

I don't think so, looking at the controlled hunt draw results for 2022 in the regs for Ontario. These are shotgun and or ML only season and all but 7 zones are 100% success rates for first choice. We are losing hunters fast, scopes, inlines, flints, smokeless, this is not an issue here,do what you feel is right and let others hunt their way
 
It is my understanding that in Pennsylvania, it is called a "primitive weapons" season and is PRB, open iron sights and flintlock or earlier. It depends on the reason for the "special" season. Some "special" seasons, usually ML and shotgun are implemented to reduce the range due to acreages and such and have not g to do with "history". However, just like the biological men that want to "identify" as a woman so they can compete with an unfair advantage in women's sports, the guys shooting high powered gun s that "identify" as a ML so they can compete with other ML and shotgun hunters in these special season zones will eventually find their so-called ML guns whose "smokeless sabotless builds would put most CF guns to shame at 300 yards" will either be disqualified from the season OR the whole special season will be shut down for everyone. Every sport has those that will cheat any way they can to gain an unfair edge over those that just train hard to be the best they can be within the rules and intentions. This is how it has always been and how it will always continue to be. Human nature.

No cheating buddy.

You put powder down the tube, and follow with a bullet.

Nothing wrong with a better mouse trap.

I use my ml in shotgun season. These guys have 3 pokes at deer and I have one but when the crosshairs go where they need to, the deer drop.

It takes the same time to reload my gun as it does yours.

Don’t be sour grapes, it’s kind of sad.
 
by that logic, single shot cartridge rifles should also qualify for muzzle loading season

cheers mooncoon

I didn’t realize you load your single shots from the muzzle… oh wait no you don’t..

I hunt with an old cooey for birds and it’s a single. It’s miles different than my ml
 
never shot a flint lock but all the rest.....and set up lots of new lads...looking over the shoulder tried lots of new guns and bullets powders etc once you get it dirty you may as well shoot a bunch and get on to the faster reload.....not all shooters are one shot wonders.......no matter what is said......i shoot ml10 but lots of other guns and loads are fun......nothing wrong with a bag of 458 sabots and some 405 gr cast .........fancy bullets cost a lot and have their place BUT the cheaper spread is just so much fun AND your gun will shoot better if you taylor a load with loose powder and work it up.......speed is fine...accuracy is final ....they are all good to a point don
 
Interestingly I understand some US states have been trying a metallic black powder cartridge season for the Sharps and silhouette aficionados.

Saskatchewan lumps them in with shotgun zones and a season between rifle and archery. Have tried it, was mostly a good excuse for some nice long walks. While I intend to do it again with the aforementioned CVA I bought on sale, it’s more to do with getting out ahead of the rush and hazards of a busy centerfire rifle season than any nostalgia. Being left eye dominant percussion and flint rifles aren’t a big attraction.

FYI flintlocks and percussion sides-by-sides have been shot since few hundred years...
 
No cheating buddy.
Technically no, but neither was Lia Thomas "technically" cheating when HE competed in women's swimming

You put powder down the tube, and follow with a bullet.

True, again, just like Lia Thomas, dove in the pool and swam under his own power...just like the biological women.

Nothing wrong with a better mouse trap.

Then why hunt the regular season with a high power centre fire rifle with range finding scope?, that is an even BETTER "mouse trap"..



I use my ml in shotgun season. These guys have 3 pokes at deer and I have one but when the crosshairs go where they need to, the deer drop.
It takes the same time to reload my gun as it does yours.
What is your point?,the goal should ALWAYS be to make a clean kill with one shot and on the rare occasion that that does not happen, a GOOD hunter knows that you wait for 15-20 minutes before pursuing the animal to give it time to calm down and bed, FAR more time than is required to reload a ML even if you choose to run a cleaning patch down it before reloading.
Don’t be sour grapes, it’s kind of sad.
I don't think you know what "sour grapes" means. The point is that when people go beyond the intentions and the spirit, in this case using technology to bastardize the intensions of the special season, whether it is do make up form a lack of hunting skills or just to increase the chances of success with as little effort as possible, don't be surprised if the whole season is taken away. I personally don't care what you or anyone else does, I don't need a special season to hunt with a ML, I hunt with it by choice.
 
Being left eye dominant percussion and flint rifles aren’t a big attraction.
Most "off the shelf" flint and cap locks are straight stocked so are ambidextrous. However, I personally would not recommend these types of rifles in flint. There are few things worse and/or more frustrating than a cheap flintlock, however, there are few things more satisfying and rewarding than a good quality flintlock. A TC "Hawken" or Lyman "grant plains" in .54 cap lock are Wonderfull choices at an attractive price point, at least they USED to be an attractive price point, no idea what they cost these days. I am not positive about the TC but I do know that the Lyman could be had in left handed.
 
FYI flintlocks and percussion sides-by-sides have been shot since few hundred years...

The argument made by rpcw was that scope sighted inlines should be allowed because they permitted one shot kills and my point is that an accurate single shot like a Ruger #1 also does that if not more so. To be clear, I think muzzle loading seasons should be restricted to traditional styled muzzle loading rifles although I would not necessarily exclude scope sights to aid aging eyes. Here is BC, I think several magazine articles by Jim Shokey describing his hunting several species with a modern inline, influenced our wildlife branch to feel muzzle loaders were just as effective as cartridge rifles and therefore there should not be a special muzzle loading season

cheers mooncoon
 
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