Primer Test

Ganderite

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Some of us have bought the GINEX primers because they are available.

My experience with them in small pistol is that they a bit harder to install and the cups are harder and I get misfires in some pistols.

In rifle we have accuracy standards, and a new primer means making a small adjustment to the load (up or down). I used to buy my 308 brass pre-loaded with the Federal match primer, but I once had a call from the factory to say they could not get 40,000 Federal primers all of the same lot number - would it be ok to use Winchester? I said yes and found I had to drop the load slightly. The Win was about 40 fps faster.

I have not yet run a similar velocity test with the Ginex primers.

What I have done is fired different primers in a 3" 45ACP revolver and photographed the muzzle flash.

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In these tests, the hot primers are white hot and the milder primers are orange. Hot primers are required to ignite powders with heavy deterrent coatings, such as ball powder and the slow rifle powders.

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The Ginex primer does not appear to be "hot". The flash is similar to the Federal:

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The standard CCI primer is noticeably hotter:
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The standard Winchester is a hot primer. They say it is suitable for standard loads of ball powder. I use it for that purpose.
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The CCI Magnum primer appears to be similar to the Winchester standard, and the S&B looks hot, too.
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The Remington magnum primer is hot. (Of course.) I do not have any standard Rem primers to test, but memory is that they are also quite hot, like a Winchester.
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I had a single pack of old CIL primers, so shot one of those, too.
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In my experience, a change in rifle primers may need a small change (0.3gr) in the powder charge to get the same velocity. When I change pistol primers my only concern is a harder cup causes misfires in some of my striker fired pistols and some revolvers in double action.

The solution is the Federal primer. Federal uses a different priming compound than the others. It is more sensitive. (hence the different packaging.)
 
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I'm always intrigued by your dedication to informing us all of various aspects of our sport. Thank you!
 
The CIL looks like some sort of artillery fire. :)

Those CIL primers were fantastic, especially back in the day when the only powders available were extremely sensitive to low temperatures.

The biggest drawback with those primers was that their power varied quite a bit from lot to lot.

For the handloader buying a 100 primers at a time, they were always chasing a good load.

Back then, even with proven canister grade offerings, there was never a guarantee that the new lot of powder would be reasonably close in burn rate.

Make any sort of change between loads and anything could happen. If you were lucky, the results would prove consistent enough to fix with a couple of scope adjustments.

The high heat delivered seemed to help keep things reasonably consistent.

Back when I first started hunting, if your rifle grouped consistently into a couple of inches that was about as good as you could expect with off the shelf components. Commercial loads were often delivering 4 inch groups at best out of most off the shelf rifles.
 
Thanks for the pic & info!

My $0.02 with the Ginex Small Pistol Primers - work fine with my 9mm ammo in Norinco 1911, Star Model B, and Ruger PC Carbine but in 38 Special (two different S&W Model 10) I get failure to fire about 1 in 10 so a 60 round PPC League line I get 5-6 rounds not go off. Very frustrating. Of course I loaded about 1000 rounds before league started up in Sept so I'm just going to shoot them all and use different primers for my next batch of 38 Special (we use Lewis scoring system so while I won't get top places I still might get an award!)
 
Thank you very much . the CIL primers were something else. WOW. it looks like the Ginex ones were a little subdued . you take care .
 
Thanks for the pic & info!

My $0.02 with the Ginex Small Pistol Primers - work fine with my 9mm ammo in Norinco 1911, Star Model B, and Ruger PC Carbine but in 38 Special (two different S&W Model 10) I get failure to fire about 1 in 10 so a 60 round PPC League line I get 5-6 rounds not go off. Very frustrating. Of course I loaded about 1000 rounds before league started up in Sept so I'm just going to shoot them all and use different primers for my next batch of 38 Special (we use Lewis scoring system so while I won't get top places I still might get an award!)

I had a similar problem with some Smith revolvers when I switched to the Ginex. I had to switch back to Federal. Is the hammer spring adjustment screw turned in all the way? That's the screw on the front of the grip frame.
 
Similar experience with a S&W that was happiest with Federal #100 primers, had trouble with Winchesters until I turned the hammer spring screw in all the way. Recently tried Fiocchi primers and it's happy with those so far.
 
I've ben using Sellier and Bellet lately as they were available before the big dry up. They work well. I like that it says rifle, pistol, revolver proving they are interchangeable

Proves nothing
the box has generic wording for their line of primers, the end flap says 'large rifle' specifying the intended use for the contents of that box
 
The large primers are different depths for rifle and pistol. In a pistol case, the rifle primer will stand proud. A pistol primer in a rifle case will be too deep.

Small primers are the same size and are physically interchangable, but a rifle primer will often misfire in a pistol because of the harder cup.
 
Interesting, the ginex primers look a little on the weak side
For blasting ammo on the range they will prob work ok though
I made a bunch of 308 and 35 Remington using them hopefully they work ok
 
Ganderite, Did you try for similar results with pistol primers? seeing as you had the snub out for some fun
reg and magnum, woul dbe interesting to compare those too
 
I've ben using Sellier and Bellet lately as they were available before the big dry up. They work well. I like that it says rifle, pistol, revolver proving they are interchangeable

Well, not really. I was looking through my primers last night as I am starting to get low on small pistol primers. I have about 500 S & B that says "Rifle and Pistol" on the box; however, it does have "SR" printed on this particular box. The cups on SR primers can sit a bit high in .38 special and have caused lock-up issues in my GP100. These are tight revolvers.
 
if shipping primers was not such a PITA I would love to send you any you didn't have.

What settings do you use for your camera to capture this? I'm guessing a long 2-3 second exposure, a medium f-stop? Leave ISO at 100? Our 2" snubby 686 has to stay here at the range so I'd have to rig it up to do here during off hours.
 
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