AIWB and indoor ranges - allowed or no?

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Just started getting into the IDPA game and have a Soley Canadian AiWB Sidecar style holster on the way.

Anyone know if indoor ranges are ok with using them?

Or is it better to ask for forgiveness than permission?

Obviously holster certified, black badge, multi year ipsc shooter etc.

Not interested in comments like “your’e gonna blow your junk off” etc.
 
maybe this will get me the ban,hammer but here goes

you have a pal that is current?

you have been here over 15 years and have not learned anything

yiu have a higher trader rating

AND YET YOU WANT TO GO BEHIND THEIR BACK AND THEN ASK FORGIVENESS

give your head a shake

maybe shake it a few times

that is one of the dumbest things I have ever read on this forum

if I as the owner of the range ever found out you would NEVER set foot in any business I owned

FFS
 
Markit said:
Just started getting into the IDPA game and have a Soley Canadian AiWB Sidecar style holster on the way.

Anyone know if indoor ranges are ok with using them?

Or is it better to ask for forgiveness than permission?

Obviously holster certified, black badge, multi year ipsc shooter etc.

Not interested in comments like “your’e gonna blow your junk off” etc.
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IDPA actually has a rulebook; see section 8.5, pages 31-32.)

<https://www.idpa.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/2024-IDPA-Rulebook-Master-12-14-23.pdf>
 
Definitely a specific range thing. Not allowed at our range (Probably because we're afraid of people blowing their junk off, lol. Also chances of breaking 90 on a draw is significantly higher if you aren't proficient with that style of holster), but can't speak for all of them.

Jefferson said:
maybe this will get me the ban,hammer but here goes

you have a pal that is current?

you have been here over 15 years and have not learned anything

yiu have a higher trader rating

AND YET YOU WANT TO GO BEHIND THEIR BACK AND THEN ASK FORGIVENESS

give your head a shake

maybe shake it a few times

that is one of the dumbest things I have ever read on this forum

if I as the owner of the range ever found out you would NEVER set foot in any business I owned

FFS
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Simmer down bud, I think you may be overreacting a tad.
 
Stigma and fudd lore aside, by their nature, AIWB holstering has less chance of breaking 90 than do OWB holsters worn on the hip, especially the 'race' holsters that essentially only cover over the trigger and trigger guard.

For IDPA, placement is as follows:
8.5.1.2 Must be a strong side hip holster worn inside the waistband (IWB) between 12 and 4 for right-handed shooters, or outside the waist band between 2 and 4 for right-handed shooters. Left-handed shooters use 8 to 12 o’clock (IWB) and 8 and 10 o’clock (OWB)
 
beltfed said:
Stigma and fudd lore aside, by their nature, AIWB holstering has less chance of breaking 90 than do OWB holsters worn on the hip, especially the 'race' holsters that essentially only cover over the trigger and trigger guard.

For IDPA, placement is as follows:
8.5.1.2 Must be a strong side hip holster worn inside the waistband (IWB) between 12 and 4 for right-handed shooters, or outside the waist band between 2 and 4 for right-handed shooters. Left-handed shooters use 8 to 12 o’clock (IWB) and 8 and 10 o’clock (OWB)
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Doesn't the A stand for appendix? I.e. right in front...?
 
If it is an indoor range and it is a gallery set up, where each firing point is separated by thin screens and the table can be folded down, I will definitely ask the range officer.

The question you should ask yourself - if the pistol discharges in the holster, where does the round go to.

Next issue, if it is drawn ( both correctly and incorrectly ), what is it the chance of it lazing people outside of your booth.

The issue with appendix holster is ,if the user doesn't know what's going on or make mistakes ( everyone here probably had seen someone trying to draw so fast the pistol ended up flying one point in their lives) the pistol could laze the people to the side. The round can easily goes through the metal separation and hits the person next door. Personally I will stay away from random joe doing appendix draw next to me as fast as possible.

If it is an outdoor range and you are on your own, as long as it is not breaking 180 and there are berms around, common sense said it is fine but some ranges may say no anyways. check the rules.
 
Scotty454 said:
Doesn't the A stand for appendix? I.e. right in front...?
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Yes, appendix.

Whether it is allowable for use at/in a particular range is and has certainly been a point of debate. Most all of it brought on by ignorance, or people associating it with gang bangers who carry in the waste band without a holster - which is monumentally stupid.

I would argue that if one was to train in the martial or sporting use of a pistol, they would seek to purchase a quality holster and seek proper training in its employment prior to carrying live ammunition - regardless of holster type or location on their body.
The argument that one serviceable holster is 'more safe' than another based on where it is located on the body in relation to the pelvis bone doesn't hold water.
Regardless of a belted holster position on the body (maybe save a canted one), the pistol is going to be more or less pointed at the shooter's feet and within around a 1 foot radius of their feet.
The draw stroke should include beginning to point the firearm down range/at the threat as they clear the holster. The potential of shooting to the side or behind the shooter just isn't there.


There are probably hundreds of thousands of people carrying AIWB safely right now. Not too long ago I had an interaction with a nice u/c copper who was carrying her Glock AIWB.
 
Markit said:
Just started getting into the IDPA game and have a Soley Canadian AiWB Sidecar style holster on the way. Anyone know if indoor ranges are ok with using them?
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Depends entirely on the range. Some holster set ups just don't make sense on a firing line where you are standing in stalls next to your fellow shooters on both sides.

With some cross draw or chest rigs, for example, you may be pointing your firearm in the direction of others when drawing or re-holstering.

Some ranges prohibit any kind of holster for a loaded firearm because of a concrete floor and the risk of ricochet with a negligent discharge.

Or is it better to ask for forgiveness than permission?
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Not in this case.
 
Scotty454 said:
Definitely a specific range thing. Not allowed at our range (Probably because we're afraid of people blowing their junk off, lol. Also chances of breaking 90 on a draw is significantly higher if you aren't proficient with that style of holster), but can't speak for all of them.



Simmer down bud, I think you may be overreacting a tad.
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He's not overreacting.
It's our range operating license or this guys attitude.

When an accident occurs, its a very simple matter of dealing with the person. Its the difficulty to ensure it never happens again.
Thanks for the headache?
 
Welcome to IDPA! You may also want to check with your local IDPA club as I've heard some don't like it (that, and PCC). I know when the rules changed to allow AIWB my local was a bit leery at first. It's since been allowed and I've been able to watch a few "jump-out boys" in action with their AIWB duty rig, which has been pretty cool. Scary, but cool.
 
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