More shots in a group are not testing that particular rifles capability as much as it is testing the shooters capability to read condition changes... including the heat mirage coming off the barrel increasingly worse with each shot. Some of those "flyers" are not the firearms fault, it's where the scope was pointed.
The 1 MOA Hoax: How manufacturers have confused shooters
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Nevermind adjustment for POA !
When I am at the range, I am not just zeroing a scope, and testing loads, I am also testing myself, breathing, technique, mechanics, this is where the fourth and fifth shot pay dividends in revealing inconsistencies. My own frailties, foibles and ineptitudes plant my feet firmly on the ground and give a more realistic picture of my capabilities or lack thereof.
Do stuff like this lots. Burn barrels out doing it. This kid can get on game and finish the job as well as any adult. But he shoots, and wears barrels and brass more than most adults. Is that a bad thing? And it isn’t just drudgery for him. I’m not forcing him to do it. It’s fun. Why guys hate shooting or beat on people that like it is beyond me.
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Most rifles are more accurate than the shooters behind them! And also, what is used to make those shots at the factory, leadsled type apparatus or just a guy at a bench shooting off of bags? I think that those accuracy garantie are not relavent to hunting at most hunting range, just like the craze of high BC bullets and hign power scopes… to each there own of course hahaha, but for me I never bought a rifle for it moa garantie… i don't think my old mauser 98 8x57 came with one and yet it does just that, with an old fix 4 Tasco scope max a dark bore….
No reason at all. Some people are just shooters who desire to get the most out of their skill at arms plus they enjoy shooting for the sake of shooting that's all. Nothing wrong with either approach. Some people will tune their cars incessantly, some will tune their rifles by shooting groups with different brands of ammo.
It's a hobby - doesn't have to be practical.
You remind me of my former neighbour. A good hunter but definitely not a shooter. He decided after about 10 years to confirm his rifle was shooting to point of aim so I invited him to my range for the afternoon specifically so he could get some trigger time behind his rifle since we were going to hunt together.
So he takes a shot at 100 yds, hits somewhere in the vicinity of the 6 inch bull and that's it. Mission accomplished - no more shots required LOL. No amount of coaxing would get him to fire any kind of group. Ammo costs money don't you know.
I had brought my rifle so I fired some groups to test some loads I had brought out and he watched me throughout the session just shaking his head. Couldn't have been much fun for him but I had a good time - LOL
Different priorities, different goals that's all. To each his own
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You're using extreme cases from one to five shots. Most hunters are inbetween with three shots (the really big picture), If they are taking more shots, I guess their dime, won't make the gun more accurate than what is required. Off the bench or in the field, two difference scenarios; generally hunters are not effected by buck fever while on the bench and other challenges. Knowing the POI of various distances is more important that testing the intergrity of a rifles 5 shot group. Knowing the POI on the first shot is the most important. Wanting to test the intergrity of a rifle, shoot a precision rifle; this requirement is moot for hunting big game.
Agreed - If you do a little load development plus some basic improvements to the rifle such as free floating/bedding, a good trigger and practice a little you can generally shoot much better than most hunters out there. Modern rifles from a decent manufacturer are better than they've ever been but most hunters don't ring out the the best performance possible.
Hence getting back to our original thread - the MOA guarantee from the factory means very little for most and is more intended for marketing.
Am I wrong or does that blood mark look awfully far back?
Im asking as someone who wants to know more about shot placement, not ragging on a really awesome buck and the young fella.
5 rounds are not extreme, in fact it used to be the norm when I started out but then maybe it had to do with the increasing cost of ammo over the years. 3 shots now seem to be the norm which again tells you little. Competitors serious about shooting think 5 shots is a small sample size.
Agreed hunting has little to do with shooting - never claimed it did. Hit the kill zone target that's all that's necessary. Precision is not as important as accuracy. You can quite successfully hunt with a 303 Enfield capable of 4 MOA as long as it's properly zeroed. I've done it.
That deer was quartering and he broke the offside shoulder.
