What does $121 worth of .410 ammunition look like

These 410 prices are so freaking ridiculous. I don't see why anyone would buy them outside of specific cases such as you're buying them for a 12year old looking to bag their first grouse.
 
I was given a couple big tubs full of reloading supplies and two reloaders, an older single stage pacific 20ga and an older Texan progressive loader in 12ga. There was also a big box full of bags of wads. Since I no longer reload I gave most of it away but there was some bags of 4.10 and 20ga target load wads plus a pound of powder for 4.10. One of the guys I shoot with is 87 and only shoots 4.10. He makes his own lead shot too. I gave him the 4.10 powder and wads and you'd think I'd handed him a gold bar by his reaction. Yes I could have sold the stuff and made good $ on it but I hope to see him enjoy himself shooting and shoot with him as long as we possibly can and that is worth alot more to me than a few $ from some components.
I have enough factory loaded 4.10 to last the rest of my days for potting the odd grouse now and again.
 
browninggold said:
Prices are ridiculous cause people are scooping them up regardless, so why would manufacturers drop prices….supply and demand
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In a nutshell. Would anyone here drop their prices if they were a manufacturer that could sell all you could make at the present prices??. I hear similar complaining from farmers over equipment prices but there is a waiting list on getting new equipment at current pries. That tells ME that there is more room for price INCREASES. Any manufacturer worth there salt would keep increaseing prices until product stops selling, then decrease until it starts again. that is how Price discovery works.
 
browninggold said:
Prices are ridiculous cause people are scooping them up regardless, so why would manufacturers drop prices….supply and demand
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People are only paying it because there is no availability. Much like large rifle primers, the lack of supply is driving prices through the roof. The catch is the number of people actually willing to buy at these prices is very low compared to the number of people who would buy it if prices were back to normal, so once the time comes that supply has come back up to a more normal state they will have to lower prices to move stock. Making $2/box and selling 10 boxes is better than making $15/box but only selling 1.
 
Suther said:
People are only paying it because there is no availability. Much like large rifle primers, the lack of supply is driving prices through the roof. The catch is the number of people actually willing to buy at these prices is very low compared to the number of people who would buy it if prices were back to normal, so once the time comes that supply has come back up to a more normal state they will have to lower prices to move stock. Making $2/box and selling 10 boxes is better than making $15/box but only selling 1.
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Is always the third option - when they got too expensive for me, I just quite buying them and do without new ones - into the "old stuff" now - sooner or later, I will just not shoot as much. As mentioned above, I have paid 10 cents each primer - I thought, then, that was a lot for something I had paid 3 or 4 cents a piece (AFTER SALES TAXES) a few years previous - not going to pay the 40 cents apiece or more that some sellers or retailers appear to want for them now. And I just spent circa $700 on dies, brass and bullets in the past month or so - Dec 2023 and Jan 2024 - $575.00 to one place and $120.00 to another place. I have not bought much for powder in the past few years - about the same issues.

Supply and Demand is also about when price gets too high - I look for something else to do - my Demand goes away. If whatever I find is more interesting, my Demand might not come back - regardless about the price. Is possible that I might buy 100 or 200, instead of 1,000 or 2,000 at a time.
 
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Potashminer said:
Is always the third option - when they got too expensive for me, I just quite buying them and do without new ones - into the "old stuff" now - sooner or later, I will just not shoot as much. As mentioned above, I have paid 10 cents each primer - I thought, then, that was a lot for something I had paid 3 or 4 cents a piece (AFTER SALES TAXES) a few years previous - not going to pay the 40 cents apiece or more that some sellers or retailers appear to want for them now. And I just spent circa $600 on dies, brass and bullets in the past month or so - Dec 2023 and Jan 2024. I have not bought much for powder in the past few years - about the same issues.
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A lot of people have been going without in recent years due to prices. But the outrageous prices are almost always on stuff with very limited supply - look at pistol primers and Marlin lever guns. These 410 prices are not sustainable. Once supply ramps back up, stores will be sitting with shelfs full and nobody buying if they don't reduce prices. Who knows when supply will ramp back up though...
 
Nothing creates a shortage like a shortage. I remember back in the 70's there was a sugar shortage. people were buying up all the sugar they could find, regardless of the price because they was a shortage, creating a shortage. Same thing happened with toilet paper in 2020. People were LITERALLY buying shopping carts FULL of toilet paper when ever a shipment came in "because there was a shortage". It will all eventually sort itself out once the panic subsides.
 
Licensed to kill said:
Wow, $27,000 annually (or $2250 monthly average) just for the components for ammo, that is dedication. That kind of dedication is to be respected as well as respect for your wife for her support. Good on you.
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I think your math might be off a bit - typical (from old days) that a "box" contained 25 rounds - at least the 28 gauge BPI reloading stuff here is 25 round boxes. 3000 rounds per year would be 120 boxes per year. At $9 per box now, is $1,080 per year - $90 per each month for 12 months. But that is still healthy amount of dollars.
 
Potashminer said:
I think your math might be off a bit - typical (from old days) that a "box" contained 25 rounds - at least the 28 gauge BPI reloading stuff here is 25 round boxes. 3000 rounds per year would be 120 boxes per year. At $9 per box now, is $1,080 per year - $90 per each month for 12 months. But that is still healthy amount of dollars.
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Yeah he did the math for 3000 boxes not 3000 rounds lol
 
Potashminer said:
I think your math might be off a bit - typical (from old days) that a "box" contained 25 rounds - at least the 28 gauge BPI reloading stuff here is 25 round boxes. 3000 rounds per year would be 120 boxes per year. At $9 per box now, is $1,080 per year - $90 per each month for 12 months. But that is still healthy amount of dollars.
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LOL, you are absolutely correct, my bad. Had a major brain fat. Thanks for that.
 
Licensed to kill said:
Wow, $27,000 annually (or $2250 monthly average) just for the components for ammo, that is dedication. That kind of dedication is to be respected as well as respect for your wife for her support. Good on you.
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Your math is way out, at $9 per box of 25, 3000 shotshells totals around $1100. Add in another 3000 rounds of 28 gauge, and my 12 and 20 gauge, and my shotshell bill runs around $4000/year.
 
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Licensed to kill said:
LOL, you are absolutely correct, my bad. Had a major brain fat. Thanks for that.
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WOW thanks for that cuz I was thinkin, Yeah your old but I didnt think my math was that bad. Haha Soooh great to see I didnt have a brain fart and my math was correct. Dont worry LtK! You werent off bye much hehehe. Great when you can follow a post and get a great laugh at someone else doing whatve normally been covered by yourself. Shotgunners get along better than on almost any other forum. Just sayin
 
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