I learned something new today.
Restricted Type 81- When will this exist?
- Thread starter Colin L
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I learned something new today.
I'm with IDCAY, none of my guns have a barrel length marked on them. I have a couple McGowan barrels that I can't even find their name on, but they are both covered up by handguards so I am looking through all the slots and holes in the handguards. I also have a 12" barrel from a chicom 870 clone that has no markings whatsoever. I see your Dlask pictures, but that is the first I've ever seen that.
This is an extremely pertinent question that I don't think anyone in government would understand, let alone have an answer for.
Mark
It may not be that unmarked manufactured short barrels are a no-no, but if the po-po show up and see a very short barrel (on a non-restricted gun), you may be saving yourself a trip to jail and court if the manufacturer name and manufactured length is stamped on it. Expect the po to have no clue and make judgements on their own assumptions and perceptions. Also extremely valuable to have the firearm's actual FRT # on your person with stated barrel length and classification. (armalyt*cs.ca)
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I don't disagree with any of this, but the point is it is simply not possible in a very large number of cases. Also, the police will often have no clue and make judgments on their own assumptions, regardless of what the law says. Having Dlask stamp a barrel length on a shorty barrel isn't going to save you there. It would likely prevent charges, but I wouldn't even count on that at this point.
Mark
ALL of this idiocy is the result of idiots, who don't understand the subject matter, writing laws they don't understand the ramifications of. It's the stupid leading the blind.
It is illegal to cut down a barrel, but in many cases it is near impossible to prove that a barrel was cut down. It is perfectly legal to manufacture a short barrel but the manufacture of a barrel involves cutting it to length (cutting it down). So the very thing that is illegal is a part of the manufacturing process. The problem is, when is a barrel deemed to be "finished" and thus locked in at its length? Well, that greatly depends on who and how it was made. There is no simple answer to this legal problem and 99% of cops and judges won't understand this issue at all.
I have sworn off posting on this site anymore but I'll make an exception here
It is illegal for an individual to cut down a barrel shorter than 18.5 inches. Regardless of overall length.
It is legal for a licensed gunsmith to do so and have the classification changed.
It is legal for a firearms manufacturer to make or cut a barrel to any length
as for the labelling of barrels after modifications ... Dlask cut , threaded and crowned an untold number of M305/M14 barrels to 18.5" from 22" factory barrels and no stampings or engravings were added to the barrels.
When nonrestricted firearms were registered , it was a requirement that when the barrel length of the firearm was changed, the CFC were to be notified and the new barrel length recorded on the registration. A whole new FRT was created for these custom 18.5" barrelled guns. I still have it somewhere. Those requirements (for non restricted) ended with the long gun registry.
I'm not up to snuff on all the laws but I always assumed the only firearms you could not cut down the barrels of were shotguns. Dlask is a manufacturer so they can create non restircted firearms with very short barrels by observing overall length requirements/limitations at the manufacture level.
I have had many barrels cut and recrowned and no firearms act laws were broken.
Basically there is one rule for individuals, another for gunsmiths and another for manufacturers when it comes to barrel lengths and altering them
It is illegal for an individual to cut down a barrel shorter than 18.5 inches. Regardless of overall length.
It is legal for a licensed gunsmith to do so and have the classification changed.
It is legal for a firearms manufacturer to make or cut a barrel to any length
as for the labelling of barrels after modifications ... Dlask cut , threaded and crowned an untold number of M305/M14 barrels to 18.5" from 22" factory barrels and no stampings or engravings were added to the barrels.
When nonrestricted firearms were registered , it was a requirement that when the barrel length of the firearm was changed, the CFC were to be notified and the new barrel length recorded on the registration. A whole new FRT was created for these custom 18.5" barrelled guns. I still have it somewhere. Those requirements (for non restricted) ended with the long gun registry.
I'm not up to snuff on all the laws but I always assumed the only firearms you could not cut down the barrels of were shotguns. Dlask is a manufacturer so they can create non restircted firearms with very short barrels by observing overall length requirements/limitations at the manufacture level.
I have had many barrels cut and recrowned and no firearms act laws were broken.
Basically there is one rule for individuals, another for gunsmiths and another for manufacturers when it comes to barrel lengths and altering them
This is not correct. 18.5" (actually 470mm) is the limit for centerfire semi-autos to remain non-restricted. You can legally cut a barrel to 457mm (17.99") and anything shorter then becomes a prohibited firearm. If you cut a centerfire semi barrel shorter than 470mm but longer than 457mm it becomes a restricted firearm and you would need to register it as such with the CFC.
There is nothing special about shotguns, they follow the same rules as for other centerfire firearms with the same semi/manual action barrel length limits as above.
Mark
What about an uninstalled barrel...
This. A perfect example of stupid and pointless laws written by people ignorant of the subject matter.
When I make a barrel, I thread, chamber and install the barrel in order to test fire it. Then I cut and crown the barrel. Going by your thoughts, I have cut down an already installed barrel.
This is the point I am trying to make. There are many different way of building a barrel and numerous different operations involved in the building of a barrel. At what point does a barrel become "finished" and thus locked in to its OAL? How much does one have to cut off a barrel to be deemed to have cut down a barrel. Recording a barrel involves shortening it ... the nature of the work. Sure it's only shortened by less than 1/10 of an inch but it is still shorter. Does the law against cutting down barrels mean no barrel can ever be recrossed in Canada? Once again, stupid and pointless laws written by people ignorant of the subject matter.
That describes a very large chunk of all the legislation ever passed in this country. The criminal code is 1200+ pages long. Does anyone here really think we need 1200 pages of criminal offences? I think I could write an equally effective criminal code in less than 10 pages.
Mark
