Ammo on the reloading bench

lister said:
Fox has it right. Ammo does not need to be locked up.

I often have brass in various states of completion on my bench. My biggest worry is the cat knocking stuff over!
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This! My computer is on my reloading place - looking at it, is multiple brass, primers, bullets here, now - but no powder. And for sure about the cats! Our "Boycat" likes helping up here - usually all kinds of shiny stuff on the move, or that can be moved. He has the wierdest "look" down at the floor at things that he knocks over - as if wondering if they should be able to fly ...
 
bertn said:
AFAIK Your ammo should not be readily available to others in your household who have no PAL/RPAL.
If you have a partner living with you without a license I'd say clean up once done.

Legal or not, if you somehow would get charged with careless storage of ammunition it will be time consuming and costly to fight this.
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There is no such charge. As a most recent post mentioned, ammunition is governed by NRCan under the Explosives Act, not the Firearms Act.

dearslayer said:
Sorry but where in my post did I say I was paranoid?? It was a simple question relating to a discussion is all. It stemmed from a recent YouTube video of the guy here in Canada where the cops paid him a visit about something his kid said in school. Runkle also did a video on it. The question came up about the stupid things the cops could try to charge you with weather legal or not. Also I thought my question was about ammo not reloading gear. Thanks for your input just the same.
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Had you actually watched Runkle's video you would have learned that the correct course of action is to not let the cops in unless they have a warrant, and not talk to them otherwise without a lawyer.

If your situation is so precarious that you think they could get a warrant to search your house you either need to stop whatever shady activities you're involved in or perform better OpSec on the non-shady activities you partake in that the government doesn't like.
 
bertn said:
AFAIK Your ammo should not be readily available to others in your household who have no PAL/RPAL.
If you have a partner living with you without a license I'd say clean up once done.

Legal or not, if you somehow would get charged with careless storage of ammunition it will be time consuming and costly to fight this.
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Some police believe that semi autos are illegal in Canada, therefore you better not own one or shoot it, in case some cop comes in and arrests you for using it, going to be costly.

Some police think that hollow points are illegal, better not have any of those as they may arrest you, will be expensive.

Some police think that FMJ is illegal armour piercing ammunition, better not have any of those as they may arrest you, will be expensive.

We can go on and on with this.

Legally there are no storage requirements for ammunition outside of firearms law whereby they cannot be kept with guns unless both are locked up together.

It is simple, the laws are written and if the police choose not abide by them I do not know what to say.

The cops can legally follow you to your home, arrest you for having a gun at a school and then keep your child from life saving medicine until you waive all your rights, yes, that happened and no the guy did not bring a gun to a school.

We can go by the law or we can live in complete fear, you choose.
 
dearslayer said:
Just curious because I was having this discussion at work with a few fellow enthusiast, but what is considered safe storage of ammo when reloading. If I quit a reloading session should I be locking up any loose ammo that's on the bench. If there are no firearms accessible in the house and all are locked up and secure, is leaving live ammo on the bench to resume reloading, say the next evening, considered unsafe in the eyes of the law. I was always under the impression that as long as there are no firearms around then ammo could be left out. In saying this I would also add that there are no children. Also my ammo is locked up for the most part but when reloading there are times when you have to walk away or be interrupted for one reason or another. In my situation for instance my reloading area isn't a locked room but just a corner in the basement.
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Was a guy a dozen or more years ago who was charged, I believe he was from London area. Had loose ammo laying around for a gun in a calibre he didn't possess and was charged AND convicted of unsafe storage.
I don't take any chances on anyone else's interpretation of the law, not one loose shell in my gun room.
Next step though is a steel door so I don't have to worry anymore.
 
Fox said:
Some police believe that semi autos are illegal in Canada, therefore you better not own one or shoot it, in case some cop comes in and arrests you for using it, going to be costly.

Some police think that hollow points are illegal, better not have any of those as they may arrest you, will be expensive.

Some police think that FMJ is illegal armour piercing ammunition, better not have any of those as they may arrest you, will be expensive.

We can go on and on with this.

Legally there are no storage requirements for ammunition outside of firearms law whereby they cannot be kept with guns unless both are locked up together.

It is simple, the laws are written and if the police choose not abide by them I do not know what to say.

The cops can legally follow you to your home, arrest you for having a gun at a school and then keep your child from life saving medicine until you waive all your rights, yes, that happened and no the guy did not bring a gun to a school.

We can go by the law or we can live in complete fear, you choose.
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You talking about the guy in Kitchener a few years back whose kid was 5 or 6 years old and drew a really crude picture of a man holding a gun on a whiteboard, and when asked about it, said her Dad uses the gun to shoot bad guys. They arrested him and illegally searched his house before they found the plastic toy gun she was talking about. The picture she drew magically was erased before any investigators could admire the art work of the 6 year old...
 
TedNugent said:
Was a guy a dozen or more years ago who was charged, I believe he was from London area. Had loose ammo laying around for a gun in a calibre he didn't possess and was charged AND convicted of unsafe storage.
I don't take any chances on anyone else's interpretation of the law, not one loose shell in my gun room.
Next step though is a steel door so I don't have to worry anymore.
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Sounds like a tall tale. What do you know for sure?
 
mactroneng said:
There is no such charge. As a most recent post mentioned, ammunition is governed by NRCan under the Explosives Act, not the Firearms Act.
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Section 86 CCC – Careless Storage of Firearm (or Ammunition)
Careless use of firearm, etc.

86(1) Every person commits an offence who, without lawful excuse, uses, carries, handles, ships, transports or stores a firearm, a prohibited weapon, a restricted weapon, a prohibited device or any ammunition or prohibited ammunition in a careless manner or without reasonable precautions for the safety of other persons.

Contravention of storage regulations, etc.

(2) Every person commits an offence who contravenes a regulation made under paragraph 117(h) of the Firearms Act respecting the storage, handling, transportation, shipping, display, advertising and mail-order sales of firearms and restricted weapons.

Punishment

(3) Every person who commits an offence under subsection (1) or (2)

(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment
(i) in the case of a first offence, for a term not exceeding two years, and
(ii) in the case of a second or subsequent offence, for a term not exceeding five years; or
(b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

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Not likely to be charged with careless storage of ammunition but claiming that it does not exist is:bsFlag:
 
bertn said:
Section 86 CCC – Careless Storage of Firearm (or Ammunition)
Careless use of firearm, etc.

86(1) Every person commits an offence who, without lawful excuse, uses, carries, handles, ships, transports or stores a firearm, a prohibited weapon, a restricted weapon, a prohibited device or any ammunition or prohibited ammunition in a careless manner or without reasonable precautions for the safety of other persons.

Contravention of storage regulations, etc.

(2) Every person commits an offence who contravenes a regulation made under paragraph 117(h) of the Firearms Act respecting the storage, handling, transportation, shipping, display, advertising and mail-order sales of firearms and restricted weapons.

Punishment

(3) Every person who commits an offence under subsection (1) or (2)

(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment
(i) in the case of a first offence, for a term not exceeding two years, and
(ii) in the case of a second or subsequent offence, for a term not exceeding five years; or
(b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

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Not likely to be charged with careless storage of ammunition but claiming that it does not exist is:bsFlag:
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The only way they could claim careless storage of ammunition would be if it went against some other law. Just being out and not being under lock and key would not be illegal in this case.

Think about it, every gun shop has crates and crates of ammunition out on their floor, then they leave for the night, lock the door and walk away. Based on the broadest few of this law they would be illegal constantly, yet these places are inspected and not deemed illegal, even with thousands and thousands of rounds of ammo available to the general public all day and only locked by a lock on the door at night.

Think of the huge stack of 7.62x39 crates or target 12ga rounds.

That being said, if someone has guns and ammo strewn about then they have the way to put 2 charges on someone.
 
woodchopper said:
well its obvious that having a room for guns and ammo is very advantageous.

I have several hundreds of cases on the bench in various stages of case prep.

and more thousands of fired cases in bins sorted, that may one day I might get around to doing something with.

Loaded ammo goes into the ammo storage area, next to the powder and primer storage area.


my opinion for what its worth, if your interrupted and leave some ammo on the bench as a temporary situation, its not in storage, its in use.
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THIS

Also, in the event the police arrive, you say you were just loading ammo. No cop in his right mind is gonna write up charges for ammo lying next to a reloading machine and components. To think such is Grade A paranoia.



FatCatsDad said:
These posts make me wonder how often police vist your homes, where you get paranoid about leaving out some reloading gear while you go take a s.hit
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LOTS of people will mindlessly adhere to the silliest of rules without ever considering what is the likelihood of actually being held to account for that silly rule. I swear Canadians would line up dutifully and load themselves onto cattle cars if someone made that a rule.
 
woodchopper said:
well its obvious that having a room for guns and ammo is very advantageous.

I have several hundreds of cases on the bench in various stages of case prep.

and more thousands of fired cases in bins sorted, that may one day I might get around to doing something with.

Loaded ammo goes into the ammo storage area, next to the powder and primer storage area.


my opinion for what its worth, if your interrupted and leave some ammo on the bench as a temporary situation, its not in storage, its in use.
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bertn said:
Section 86 CCC – Careless Storage of Firearm (or Ammunition)
Careless use of firearm, etc.

86(1) Every person commits an offence who, without lawful excuse, uses, carries, handles, ships, transports or stores a firearm, a prohibited weapon, a restricted weapon, a prohibited device or any ammunition or prohibited ammunition in a careless manner or without reasonable precautions for the safety of other persons.
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This is sort of meaningless. How does one define what is careless without reasonable precautions for the safety of other persons? A childless couple live in a home with the front door locked ... would seem to be a reasonable precaution for the safety of other persons.
 
Some one without a PAL can handle ammo , They can't buy it.
Unload a press , I feel sorry for what we have become in this country.
My press , powder, etc was in the shop, The press would be empty when it ran out of primers or powder,
The powder and primers where in a old metal tool chest , for safety because it's in the shop , not laws that don't exist.

One case I seem to remember in the past was unsafe storage because he was a drug dealer, or gangbanger and the storage charge was a easy catch all when they can't make anything better stick.
Maybe a different case? Maybe needed a better lawyer?
 
I keep my primers under lock and key and don't dare leave a single one on the bench, the main worry being theft as those primers are currently the most valuable item in my shop! :p
 
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