Pretty much exactly. I could get cheap MP5's from Iran, but, it's Iran. Besides it is all HK = prohib anyway.
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...yet you have no problem buying firearms from Israel, which funds the same conflicts.
Oh yeah, they're the supposed "good guys", right?
Hardly "good guys", but Iran killed a Canadian journalist and tried to cover it up recently, among other things. No where did I say Iran was "the bad guy" and Israel was clean as the driven snow, please don't put words in my mouth. My avoidance of Iran in business has as much to do with their being an international pariah as anything else. No police force in the West would buy a Iranian MP5, let alone get an import permit.
Also, last time I checked Israeli mortars were not being lobbed at our guys in Afghanistan.
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...yet you have no problem buying firearms from Israel, which funds the same conflicts.
Oh yeah, they're the supposed "good guys", right?
I would rather have Israel as my bad guy than Iran, at least the IDF listens to court ruling by the Israel Supreme Court. As opposed to the Iranian Revoutionary Guard that are completly above the legal system.
My sig deals with politics. WTF?
What we are dealing with here is the very real possibility of Pakistan's military giving material support (as they have quite actively for years) to the Taliban, who also use Pakistan's tribal areas with impunity (if not in active collusion with with Pakistani military Intelligence). It is in these tribal areas where they rest, train, re-equip and regroup. It is also a place where we cannot follow and engage them.
I'll say it again: money to the Pakistan military/industrial complex is money to the Taliban.
If getting (somehow) some cheap firearms is more important to you than the very real possiblity of further harm to our soldiers being financed by the purchase of same, please feel free to continue to piss, moan and whine about it here. I've got no more to say to you.
Call me old fashioned, but the safety of our troops trumps buying from Pakistan's military to fill my gunsafe.
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...yet you have no problem buying firearms from Israel, which funds the same conflicts.
Oh yeah, they're the supposed "good guys", right?
That's a cheapshot and way off target.
eos said:
You can use the same rhetoric against the US. The US have strongly supported Pakistan's military leadership not only since 2001 but when the Taliban first became the guerilla fighters we know today. They hold more responsibility for the situation our troops find themselves in than any other nation in the world.
My point is that every nation has blood on it's hands. Everyone should be free to discuss and make choices for themselves as to what they feel is appropriate or not without being subject to the kind of moral questioning I've seen in this thread.
eos said:
You should probably stop buying any firearms then because it doesn't matter who you buy them from, they will feed the market that makes our intervention in many areas of the world necessary.
You can cover your ears and ignore the facts but I'd rather be honest with myself and assume responsibility for the decisions I make knowingly.
Local politics aside ... Schweeeeeeeeeeetttttttttttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh and I wouldn't be so sure about the POF aiding and abetting, or even being sympathetic to the Taliban anymore ... Looks to me more like even the local populace is becoming sick and tired of their extremist BS and letting them know they are no longer welcome ... Which only triggers more attacks for now, but at least it's a start.
Oh and I wouldn't be so sure about the POF aiding and abetting, or even being sympathetic to the Taliban anymore ... Looks to me more like even the local populace is becoming sick and tired of their extremist BS and letting them know they are no longer welcome ... Which only triggers more attacks for now, but at least it's a start.
...yet you have no problem buying firearms from Israel, which funds the same conflicts.
Oh yeah, they're the supposed "good guys", right?
Yes, Israel is the Good Guys. In fact, Israel is the only good guy in the whole sh*thole Mid East. You want it black and white? I just spell it all out for you.
My own position is that there's simply no such thing as "good guys" in the entire region today ..... Mind you using a "country" that was created in 1948, barely a pimple of the region's history's ass, which has been at war with all the other countries in the region since the very day they were created (regardless of who "declared" war first) because this new "country" was created without any significant discussion from the existing countries who'se land was now unceremeneously taken away, is hardly a significant example. If you're going to take Israel's side as the good guys, you have to take into consideration the whole "when, what, how, who and why" of their very creation post ww2 .... Quite a bit of dubious logic there IMO.
Any country that is friendly to us and pro west in a hostile region such as mid east is the good guy. The rest of the equation is irrelevant. That's reality.
Idealists may disagree but idealists live in a fantasy world of their own.
Idealists may disagree but idealists live in a fantasy world of their own.
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Gotta ask yourself the question "why are they pro-west" if your answer is "because we finance the bulk of their economy" you would be right .... The same sort of thing could be done with any other country in the region ... Throw enough money at them so they become dependant of it, and they'll be "friendly" to you, as long as the money keeps flowing that is ... Which is the scary part.
Why is it so important to know the reasons so long as Israel is pro-west and serves our interest & security concerns in the region? That's all we should care and need to know. Everything else is secondary.
Anyway, this has gone way off topic in this thread because of a stupid question raised earlier.
Well personally I blame the Romans, had they not kicked the Jews off their land 2,000 years ago we would not have this mess! Damm italians need to start paying for all the ME costs!!
Then there was the Ottomans, being Islamic they didn't give a rat's ass about whoever lived there except at tax time, then it was pay up or else!
When they picked the losing side of WWI, the Brits took it over, now the Brits created the conditions that caused immigrants to flood into the area, both Jewish and Arabic (Infant mortality was the lowest in the area thanks to them) The British being devious and themselves divided, promised everything to both sides and then left.
A couple of key points, look at the Ottoman 1901 censue and the US/UN sponsered censue of 1946 the population of both Arab and Jews rose tremdously in that time, due to work project created by the British, such as the rebuilding of Hafia port. The Brits did create a palestinian state, it's called Jordon, they just were smart enough not to let them run it!!
The Jews were willing to accept the divided land settlement offered by the UN, it was the Arabs that publicly said at the UN and elsewhere: "Not bloody likely" The Arabs attempted to drive the Jews off the land and they failed miserable against a ragtag army that as the chinese say: "Have broken their cooking pots and burnt their boats"
The Arabs had hunderds of years to create a Palestinain state and they never were able to, thanks to the their Islamic Turkish Friends, The jews that arrived at the end of WWII knew they needed their home again to prevent another holocaust. Israel represents about 3% of the ME. The jews fought hard to get what they have and paid dearly in blood for it. The Arab countries have never given a F*** about the palestianians and ensured they lived in misery to keep the anger alive.
Kinda scary to see how so many people wear the Taliban, Insurgent,Al-Qaeda Tin-Foil hats. 'They're everywhere, They're everywhere'.
If you are going to start to selectivley purchase items from countries on a 'safe'(not involved in the deaths of innocents) or 'friendly'(allowing the deaths of innocents) list....you will be wearing a leaf thong and eating oatmeal everyday.
Aside from that. Cheap Guns!!!! Or better yet, Cheap Ammo!!!! Yeah Baby.
Bring it here..........
If you are going to start to selectivley purchase items from countries on a 'safe'(not involved in the deaths of innocents) or 'friendly'(allowing the deaths of innocents) list....you will be wearing a leaf thong and eating oatmeal everyday.
Aside from that. Cheap Guns!!!! Or better yet, Cheap Ammo!!!! Yeah Baby.
Bring it here..........
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Bingo!
