All Weather 223 Deer Rifle
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I know more than a few "gun guys",that shoot Fclass shooters in the Master Class and use Savage rifles.
I have also known many hunters who have taken everything from deer to mountain goats with Savages and like them.
It is why we have choices.
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I guess if the government states in their lawbooks that it is legal to hunt big game with a 22 centerfire, then it's a hunters "right", to utilize as such. Thank Christ for good morals, values, principals and common sense to go beyond the laws. I'm thankful that I'm not an opportunist, just because the laws allow.
No facts, no evidence to dispute the points being made, just an emotional attack insinuating that you have the moral high ground, all because you refuse to take the time to read a 400 page thread on rokslide with an overwhelming amount of information laid out in pictures.
Softer bullets at moderate speeds spun really fast kills stuff faster due to more organ damage. Period.
Can't tell ya, Conor. My 223 on whitetail shooting includig that onne has all been pretty close and usually with with CNS placement.
What I can tell you?
77gr SMK or Hornady BTHP really doesn't work as well. Hornady GMX in their Superformance line makes about a half inch exit on offsides, goes through leg and shoulder bones without a problem but really doesn't do the same amount of internal damage as the TMK does. That one was placed to the chest and had a modest run.
Stopped really using 223 because I like monos and they really just don't do the damage a heavy for caliber TMK or ELD-M does.
But I am sure someone who never used one at all and is calling the rest of us @ssholes for it is gonna have tons of info for us to learn on
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22.984 foot's me thinks !lol RJ
LOL. Think 3 significant figures is good enough here Jim
Got lots of em left just haven't used em in a while. Like to have them on hand as a "just in case" but working on other things at the moment
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More WOKE DOGMA! Firearm and ammuniton manufactures do not recommend centerfire 22 for big game, many or all gun writers don't recommend it as well. Check out listings for the top ten cartridges for big game hunting, there are no 22 centerfire mentioned. I believe that hunters education doesn't recommend it. You, Joel et al have at it, go hunt moose and grizzly bear with the pea shooters, I'm sure a 500 yard shot will do the trick. Some people just love going against the grain, by escaping the scope of common sense.
"Everything I don't like is woke!"
Have they all seen 88gr ELD-Ms fail on big game? Better yet, used on them at all?
The dogma here seems to be firmly insisting that it can't without any proof that it can't, and despite plenty of proof that it works just fine.
Top 10 lists are popularity contests. There are probably lots of cartridges that people here are using on big game that work great and aren't on the list.
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Actually, John Barsness is one writer who has quite a bit of experience with .22 centerfires for hunting big game, and I would take his opinions over most of the gun writers of today.
But then he has lots of experience with the 28 gauge and wild Pheasants and Sharptails, which many " experts" consider too small for wild birds of any kind, so there is that......
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Yup, zero, nada, nothing,..., lol
Jeez I want to shoot 60-80lb deer with a 223 not elephants. I have never been one to shoot small chamberings or lightweight bullets, short of 130s in the 270. Probably 80% of the game I've shot has fallen to the 338 wm. I have taken deer with the 7.62x39 (what a stunt!)
Lots of hogs and small eastern deer in the states have been getting shot with 223 AR's for a long time. Considering population and some states allowing for 5 or more deer per season and unlimited hog shooting I'd imagine more deer yearly get put on the ground with 223s than are shot in Canada in a year...
If you think a cup and core 62 grain from a 223 can't kill a small blacktail (already 2/3rds the size of a prairie mulie on the island and mainland) cleanly you are simply wrong.
I know several guys from VI who hunt (gargantuan compared to HG deer) blacktails with 223's and 22-250s and have done so longer than I've been alive or repurposed heavyweight match bullets have existed.
As for the elk and moose, I'd choose something else, mule deer and whitetails too for that matter. I've never been one for shooting the smallest gun humanly possible, can't see the point unless you are recoil sensitive or a small child. If this was my bag I'd be in the market for a stainless 22 mag, because I'm sure it would kill a HG blacktail just fine
As for the TMK's I will reserve judgement until I see a spreadsheet of distance covered post shot, anything but that is pure conjecture. I should know, I studied deer skeletal structure extensively in university
Lots of hogs and small eastern deer in the states have been getting shot with 223 AR's for a long time. Considering population and some states allowing for 5 or more deer per season and unlimited hog shooting I'd imagine more deer yearly get put on the ground with 223s than are shot in Canada in a year...
If you think a cup and core 62 grain from a 223 can't kill a small blacktail (already 2/3rds the size of a prairie mulie on the island and mainland) cleanly you are simply wrong.
I know several guys from VI who hunt (gargantuan compared to HG deer) blacktails with 223's and 22-250s and have done so longer than I've been alive or repurposed heavyweight match bullets have existed.
As for the elk and moose, I'd choose something else, mule deer and whitetails too for that matter. I've never been one for shooting the smallest gun humanly possible, can't see the point unless you are recoil sensitive or a small child. If this was my bag I'd be in the market for a stainless 22 mag, because I'm sure it would kill a HG blacktail just fine
As for the TMK's I will reserve judgement until I see a spreadsheet of distance covered post shot, anything but that is pure conjecture. I should know, I studied deer skeletal structure extensively in university
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Oh, Conor lol
If it weren't for the lead business, I'd find a way to shoot a few for ya this season and start the meticulous calculations.
Wouldn't surprise me if the Rokslide guys have such a spreadsheet. Blakeyboy is an excellent data collector as well, but he shoots 6.5 Grendel. Still, hats off to them.
If it weren't for the lead business, I'd find a way to shoot a few for ya this season and start the meticulous calculations.
Wouldn't surprise me if the Rokslide guys have such a spreadsheet. Blakeyboy is an excellent data collector as well, but he shoots 6.5 Grendel. Still, hats off to them.
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