50-110 in an 86 making 6400ftlbs

B

brybenn

CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Rating - 100%
53   0   0
Location
southern ontario
A friend sent me a video of a guy shooting an 1886 lever gun claiming a 530gr hardcast making 6400ftlbs energy and shooting clean thru ar500 plate

Knowing that my 458wm with 500gr solids can't get thru ar500 plate I have my doubts.

However I am curious as to what the pressure limits are for the 1886 and how hot one can safely load the 50-110

https://youtube.com/shorts/x0oWK9W7wNc?si=dYh01SvK6YD6fzti
 
It could be possible it is a huge case. Even just 40k pressure could make for loads of power.

I know it's not much but here is a quote from wiki

"Also, more modern guns like the new Browning 1886, 71 Winchester, and the new 1886 Winchesters, made in Japan, are capable of much higher pressures and the 50–110 WCF can achieve up to 6,000 foot-pounds (8.1 kJ) of energy."
 
I've watched a few of that guys videos. He likes taking everything to level 11 :). His 38-55 loads are pretty crazy too.

I'd never want to shoot any of those. I wonder if he's ever blown up a rifle.

Chris.
 
12.7x70 Schuler,

Yeah that's true. Now that you mention it, it seems high for the 50-110.

The 500 Jeffery is 39k psi in a 156gr case capacity, the 50-110 is 109gr case capacity and would be limited to around 40k psi as well. So it shouldn't be running the same numbers unless he's up to something like 50-55k psi.

The 460 weatherby is a 140gr case at 64k psi and only does 7500ftlb
 
I touched off two rounds of 50-110 running BP in a Sharps falling block. Two rounds was enough. Never have I shot anything with that level of recoil. It's a beast.

I seriously have my doubts about cast lead penetrating AR500.
 
Raton57 said:
They don't say how thick a plate do they .
Click to expand...

It looks to be 3/8" or 1/2". He shoots clean thru so I'd guess a very mild steel. If a 500gr steel jacketed solid from my 458wm at 2150fps can't get thru 1/2" ar500 plate I'd bet everything I own that a 530gr hardcast bullet isn't getting thru it either

He's also claiming 6400ftlbs energy so that translate to about 2350fps for a 530gr bullet
If true that's impressive
I'm not really familiar with 1886 lever actions or how much pressure they can take
 
brybenn said:
It looks to be 3/8" or 1/2". He shoots clean thru so I'd guess a very mild steel. If a 500gr steel jacketed solid from my 458wm at 2150fps can't get thru 1/2" ar500 plate I'd bet everything I own that a 530gr hardcast bullet isn't getting thru it either

He's also claiming 6400ftlbs energy so that translate to about 2350fps for a 530gr bullet
If true that's impressive
I'm not really familiar with 1886 lever actions or how much pressure they can take
Click to expand...

Yeah that's crazy that's hotter than I load my 500 Jeffery and the jeffery case is way bigger and runs the same pressure.

Even a 460 weatherby has a 30gr bigger case and runs 64k psi and it tops out at 600gr at 2400fps

so the claimed difference between a 460 weatherby and a 50-110 is 70gr bullet weight and 50fps. Wow.
 
Evanguy said:
It could be possible it is a huge case. Even just 40k pressure could make for loads of power.

I know it's not much but here is a quote from wiki

"Also, more modern guns like the new Browning 1886, 71 Winchester, and the new 1886 Winchesters, made in Japan, are capable of much higher pressures and the 50–110 WCF can achieve up to 6,000 foot-pounds (8.1 kJ) of energy."
Click to expand...

My 86' Miroku 45-90 is factory roll stamped on the barrel "for Black Powder loads only".

I just cant see a hard cast ever being hard enough to penetrate A 500 rteel, every hard cast Ive ever seen hit A500 is the size of and thick as a tooney at the base of the target.
 
I find it hard to believe that is actual quality AR500 steel. It looks to be 3/8" steel and even that holds up to 50 BMG fairly well- at first. I've punched through 3/8 AR500 at 50 yards with a 300 and a 375 Ruger but it was not even close to being new steel and those bullets were going considerably faster than the 50-110.

But hey, now I am thinking of a 50-110 in a bolt action using some pointy bullets and wondering what it could do....:)
 
A friend put several holes through an inexpensive Cabelas "AR500" plate with a 7mm short mag or something like that from about 120 yards. I thought the kids had been using steel core 762x39 because the holes appeared to be roughly 30 caliber. The holes are near perfect circles as if they were drilled or punched. It's pretty impressive really ... but I was annoyed at the time.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom